Haeres, 78, 14
So according to Epiphanius, this James was born in 34 B.C.E.
This date for the his birth makes quasi impossible a carnal parentage with Jesus.
I can't find it.Giuseppe wrote: ↑Tue Aug 14, 2018 8:22 amBut James, the brother of the Lord and son of Joseph, died in Jerusalem, having lived 24 years, more or less, after the Savior's Ascension. He was 96 years old when he was struck on the head by a fuller with his club, flung from the pinnacle of the Temple and cast down...
Haeres, 78, 14
So according to Epiphanius, this James was born in 34 B.C.E.
This date for the his birth makes quasi impossible a carnal parentage with Jesus.
Parts of the Panarion of Epiphanius can be read here. I can't find any complete English translation of that part of the work. The author (writing in the Fourth Century CE) states that Joseph married Mary when Joseph was 80 years old, and so never had sexual relations with her. James was his son via an earlier wife, so James was only the step-brother of Jesus, and not a biological brother. This is in response to the heresy by people that Epiphanius calls "Antidicomarians" (Heresy 78 in the work) whom claimed that Mary had sexual relations with Joseph after Jesus was born.John T wrote: ↑Thu Aug 16, 2018 4:11 amI can't find it.Giuseppe wrote: ↑Tue Aug 14, 2018 8:22 amBut James, the brother of the Lord and son of Joseph, died in Jerusalem, having lived 24 years, more or less, after the Savior's Ascension. He was 96 years old when he was struck on the head by a fuller with his club, flung from the pinnacle of the Temple and cast down...
Haeres, 78, 14
So according to Epiphanius, this James was born in 34 B.C.E.
This date for the his birth makes quasi impossible a carnal parentage with Jesus.
Can you provide a link?
Sincerely,
John T
One can see how the legend of James developed over time. In Hegesippus (according to Eusebius, History of the Church 2.23.17) it was one of the Rechabites who cried out, "Stop! What are you doing? The just one is praying for you!" But here in Epiphanius it is none other than Symeon himself:Giuseppe wrote: ↑Tue Aug 14, 2018 8:22 amBut James, the brother of the Lord and son of Joseph, died in Jerusalem, having lived 24 years, more or less, after the Savior's Ascension. He was 96 years old when he was struck on the head by a fuller with his club, flung from the pinnacle of the Temple and cast down...
Haeres, 78, 14
So according to Epiphanius, this James was born in 34 B.C.E.
This date for the his birth makes quasi impossible a carnal parentage with Jesus.
Yes, I realize that. And I, too, have played with numerous scenarios in which James is not the physical brother of Jesus. But how are you going to go about validating this late piece of chronological information from Epiphanius? Merely quoting the man means literally zero. I could give you lists of mere quotes from the Christian fathers which are full of misinformation.Giuseppe wrote: ↑Thu Aug 16, 2018 7:11 am My point is that if Epiphanius was more historian and less apologist in this point, then the old age of James, if meant as a historical information, is probably evidence against him being carnal brother of Jesus, so requiring other explanations for Gal 1:19.
The claims of Epiphanius here, only have value if he had access to earlier written sources about James,
This is true only if the intent is historical. It is false in the case of pious legends, which often (not always) grow in detail and in fantasy over time.