One issue at a time.
I also believe that there would be usefulness if specialist researched into the behaviours etc. of various groups?
I believe that the governments should actively be advising the population on the best religions in their midst so that the least moral ones might shrink and die.
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Do we owe Muslims another apology?
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Re: Do we owe Muslims another apology?
Reading your posts is like watching a cat eat it's own kittens.
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Thanks for that.
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Re: Do we owe Muslims another apology?
Whose posts are you talking about. Comparing one to a cannibalistic animal is not an evidence based argument.
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Re: Do we owe Muslims another apology?
Actually I was talking about Gnostic Bishop. I thought it would be obvious.neilgodfrey wrote: ↑Tue May 29, 2018 3:24 pmWhose posts are you talking about. Comparing one to a cannibalistic animal is not an evidence based argument.
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I would rather support the notion that many people seem to favour, including Muslims, -- the separation of church and state; a secular state that inculcates basic humanistic values through secular education.Gnostic Bishop wrote: ↑Mon May 28, 2018 9:58 am One issue at a time.
I also believe that there would be usefulness if specialist researched into the behaviours etc. of various groups?
I believe that the governments should actively be advising the population on the best religions in their midst so that the least moral ones might shrink and die.
Regards
DL
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Sharia law belies what you put about Islam.neilgodfrey wrote: ↑Tue May 29, 2018 3:31 pmI would rather support the notion that many people seem to favour, including Muslims, -- the separation of church and state; a secular state that inculcates basic humanistic values through secular education.Gnostic Bishop wrote: ↑Mon May 28, 2018 9:58 am One issue at a time.
I also believe that there would be usefulness if specialist researched into the behaviours etc. of various groups?
I believe that the governments should actively be advising the population on the best religions in their midst so that the least moral ones might shrink and die.
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DL
Freedom of speech is a democratic forte. It is not a Muslim one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=p ... TdKxCz2FIQ
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The links I provided pointed to the supporting evidence for my claim that Muslims also want to live in secular democratic societies. You don't seem to be aware that Sharia law has many varying applications. Of course any laws that contravene human rights according to the UN declaration should not be permitted but that's true of all religions and cultures.Gnostic Bishop wrote: ↑Thu May 31, 2018 9:11 amSharia law belies what you put about Islam.neilgodfrey wrote: ↑Tue May 29, 2018 3:31 pmI would rather support the notion that many people seem to favour, including Muslims, -- the separation of church and state; a secular state that inculcates basic humanistic values through secular education.Gnostic Bishop wrote: ↑Mon May 28, 2018 9:58 am One issue at a time.
I also believe that there would be usefulness if specialist researched into the behaviours etc. of various groups?
I believe that the governments should actively be advising the population on the best religions in their midst so that the least moral ones might shrink and die.
Regards
DL
Freedom of speech is a democratic forte. It is not a Muslim one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=p ... TdKxCz2FIQ
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DL
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Re: Do we owe Muslims another apology?
Of course some few do. Most do not or we would not be having the Muslim problem in so many countries.neilgodfrey wrote: ↑Sat Jun 02, 2018 12:42 amThe links I provided pointed to the supporting evidence for my claim that Muslims also want to live in secular democratic societies. You don't seem to be aware that Sharia law has many varying applications. Of course any laws that contravene human rights according to the UN declaration should not be permitted but that's true of all religions and cultures.Gnostic Bishop wrote: ↑Thu May 31, 2018 9:11 amSharia law belies what you put about Islam.neilgodfrey wrote: ↑Tue May 29, 2018 3:31 pmI would rather support the notion that many people seem to favour, including Muslims, -- the separation of church and state; a secular state that inculcates basic humanistic values through secular education.Gnostic Bishop wrote: ↑Mon May 28, 2018 9:58 am One issue at a time.
I also believe that there would be usefulness if specialist researched into the behaviours etc. of various groups?
I believe that the governments should actively be advising the population on the best religions in their midst so that the least moral ones might shrink and die.
Regards
DL
Freedom of speech is a democratic forte. It is not a Muslim one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=p ... TdKxCz2FIQ
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You might want to look at the stats of the common Muslin.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=p ... SPvnFDDQHk
Do the minority or even the majority matter? Not when they all fly the same flag.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drJCC2XXMBo
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Re: Do we owe Muslims another apology?
When you read about Muslim societies by Muslims themselves and by researchers (sociologists, historians, anthropologists, political scientists) then you will have a better idea how to interpret the stats, how to interpret the questions asked and the difference between what is said and what is not said.
There is a "Muslim immigrant" problem in many places in Europe (not in Spain for some reason that is worth consideration) but not in others. The differences should be noted and understood.
Actually most Muslims really are just like you and me. Most want to live in secular democracies. Most do not support their extremist leaders. Muslims and researchers themselves confirm this. How about actually following up the sources that others link to -- confront a different point of view.
There is a "Muslim immigrant" problem in many places in Europe (not in Spain for some reason that is worth consideration) but not in others. The differences should be noted and understood.
Actually most Muslims really are just like you and me. Most want to live in secular democracies. Most do not support their extremist leaders. Muslims and researchers themselves confirm this. How about actually following up the sources that others link to -- confront a different point of view.
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