I have not claimed we know all the "laws of nature".pavurcn wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 7:50 am Two points:
1. Hakeem seems to rule out the possibility of the miraculous. That is not scientifically tenable. We cannot say that we know all the "laws of nature." How can one possibly know that the miraculous or extraordinary cannot occur? Life out of dead matter is a miracle; consciousness is a miracle.
It is rather pointless whether or not you believe in the possibility of the miraculous since you still will not be able to show or provide any historical evidence that any event about Jesus in gMark did happen.
You seem not to understand that the difference between unexplained events and known fiction.pavurcn wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 7:50 am People attest to "miraculous" cures and events all the time. (See, for example, Eben Alexander III. It is not scientific to disregard experience even if the event is beyond our current capacity for explanation. Science constantly points us towards the limitations of our knowledge and towards mystery.
Whether or not people attest to "miraculous " cures and events your claims are still pointless. You will never ever be able to show or provide historical evidence :
1. that Jesus walked on the sea.
2. that there was a voice from heaven when Jesus was baptized.
3. that Jesus instantly transfigured.
4. that there was a voice from heaven at the transfiguration.
5. that dead people came back to life at the transfiguration.
6. that Jesus instantly healed people by simply talking to them.
7. that Jesus fed thousands of people with a few bread and fish.
8. that Jesus was tempted by the devil.
9. that Jesus was crucified although it is claimed the witnesses gave false evidence.
10. that Jesus resurrected after he was dead for days.
The Jesus story in gMark is total non-historical non-contemporary propaganda written long after c 70 CE to explain the fall of the Jewish Temple.
The propaganda against the Jews was not intended to start a new religion but later became the fundamental belief of a new cult called Christians around the 2nd century.