Why Are Historicists So Certain That Jesus Existed?

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hakeem
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Re: Why Are Historicists So Certain That Jesus Existed?

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We know that the Jesus called the anointed in Antiquities of the Jews 20.9.1 is not the Jesus in Christian writings.

For hundreds of years it is stated in Christian writings that their Jesus was rejected as the Christ or Messiah by the Jews which was a fulfilment of prophecy and hence the reason for the desolation of Jerusalem and the Jewish Temple.

Dialogue With Trypho XXXII
But this so-called Christ of yours was dishonourable and inglorious, so much so that the last curse contained in the law of God fell on him, for he was crucified."
Dialogue With Trypho XLIX
....Scripture compels you to admit that two advents of Christ were predicted to take place,--one in which He would appear suffering, and dishonoured, and without comeliness; but the other in which He would come glorious. and Judge of all, as has been made manifest in many of the forecited passages...
Justin's Dialogue with Trypho
"Now I am aware that your teachers, sirs, admit the whole of the words of this passage to refer to Christ; and I am likewise aware that they maintain He has not yet come.
Tertullian's "Against the Jews"CX
Now, if (according to the Jews) He is hitherto not come, when He begins to come whence will He be anointed?...
Origen's Against Celsus III
But the majority of the Jews are so far from believing in Him, that those of them who lived at the time of His coming conspired against Him; and those of the present day, approving of what the Jews of former times dared to do against Him, speak evil of Him..
There is simply no historical evidence whatsoever that Jews called a characted named Jesus of Nazareth the Christ or Messiah in the time of Pilate.

Jesus in Christian writings was propaganda fabricated in response to the fall of the Jewish Temple c70 CE.
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Re: Why Are Historicists So Certain That Jesus Existed?

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MrMacSon wrote: Fri Nov 24, 2017 3:51 pmThey sold Jesus as deity and messiah
They sold the living Emperor as son of god. Better find a better excuse with more credibility. That helps Jesus historicity, not hurting it at all.
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Re: Why Are Historicists So Certain That Jesus Existed?

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hakeem wrote: Tue Nov 28, 2017 5:08 am .

Jesus in Christian writings was propaganda fabricated in response to the fall of the Jewish Temple c70 CE.
Ignorant rhetoric

Pauline text predates such. So your factually ignorant or lying.
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