StephenGoranson wrote: ↑Fri Mar 29, 2024 8:36 am
To declare that gospel writers were secretly referring to the death (by which means is uncertain) of the last Hasmonean claimant, without evidence, is mere unsupported opinion, not history research.
From a False Premise, anything follows. You know that SG. So it is here.
There is plenty of Evidence for Hasmonean History and more. Maryhelena has completed wonderful work on the Last Hasmonean King and her results are there for all to see.
I believe, however, that there is more. I believe that there are Time Markers left in the Data of the Gospels that point to Intentionality. Someone (Zakkai? Others?) left Clues and these Clues are built around the Passover of 9 CE, with some evidence that the Story began with the March to Jerusalem in very late 8 CE.
There are several places to begin but Mark's version is a good place to start.
1. Jairus begs the "Jesus" character to come and raise his Daughter. The Daughter is 12 years old. This Story is within a Section that tells of the "Woman with the 12 Year Issue of Blood".
Now, I have already asked you to verify that the Mishmarot Groups "Bilgah" and "Immer" are on Service Duty for the Passover and Feast Week where 3000 are killed. You have steadfastly refused to Prove this so don't even start to argue that this is incorrect.
Eisenman and Wise (and others) have stated that the Mishmarot Cycle repeats every 6 years. If "Jairus' Daughter" and "The Woman..." are Symbolic and not simply "Miracle Stories" then Jairus is "Looking Back" to 12 years of Death and Blood. He is looking at a Political Movement which he is begging the "Jesus" character to recover with one Last Try against the Herodians and Romans (Remember, the little girl is not dead but merely sleeping. The Jerusalem Ruling Class "..has no King but Caesar". This is Political.)
This is all Speculation unless the 9 CE Passover brings with it something of value.
Luke 2: 36 - 38 (RSV):
[36] And there was a prophetess, Anna, the daughter of Phan'u-el, of the tribe of Asher; she was of a great age, having lived with her husband seven years from her virginity,
[37] and as a widow till she was eighty-four. She did not depart from the temple, worshiping with fasting and prayer night and day.
[38] And coming up at that very hour she gave thanks to God, and spoke of him to all who were looking for the redemption of Jerusalem.
What happened 84 years before 8/9 CE?
Jannaeus dies and the widow Salome becomes Queen.
John 2: 20 (RSV):
[20] The Jews then said, "It has taken forty-six years to build this temple, and will you raise it up in three days?"
Josephus, Antiquities..., 14, 16, 4:
"And thus did the government of the Asamoneans cease, a hundred twenty and six years after it was first set up. This family was a splendid and an illustrious one, both on account of the nobility of their stock, and of the dignity of the high priesthood, as also for the glorious actions their ancestors had performed for our nation; but these men lost the government by their dissensions one with another, and it came to Herod, the son of Antipater, who was of no more than a vulgar family, and of no eminent extraction, but one that was subject to other kings. And this is what history tells us was the end of the Asamonean family. "
You need to buy maryhelena a latte for all the good work she has done.
John 5: 2 – 6 (RSV):
"[2] Now there is in Jerusalem by the Sheep Gate a pool, in Hebrew called Beth-za'tha, which has five porticoes.
[3] In these lay a multitude of invalids, blind, lame, paralyzed.
[5] One man was there, who had been ill for thirty-eight years.
[6] When Jesus saw him and knew that he had been lying there a long time, he said to him, "Do you want to be healed?"
John Hyrcanus 2, brother of Aristobulus 2, a legitimate Hasmonaean King and High Priest, is killed by Herod in 30 BCE.
...And on and on and on and on.
There is one Time Marker that doesn't work and it's the child "Jesus" found in the Temple after his family leaves Jerusalem to return home. Luke.
I KNOW what your first response will be: "What coincidence!!!" You've got to better than that, however, since you may Map the History here and it aligns.
There is evidence everywhere if only you would look.
Why won't you?
CW