mlinssen wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 10:25 am
... It is evident that just Just here is engaging in a wild damage limitation exercise
I dunno [yet] if it's damage limitation or simply rhetoric.
But one thing your phrase raises for me is the name, Justin Martyr.
I've long been suspicious of 'Martyr' given it's relationship to martyrdom (but have never looked into it); and Justin, as in, 'Just-in', raises in interesting point about the etymology of 'Justin' ...
mlinssen wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 10:25 am
... It is evident that just Just here is engaging in a wild damage limitation exercise
I dunno [yet] if it's damage limitation or simply rhetoric.
But one thing your phrase raises for me is the name, Justin Martyr.
I've long been suspicious of 'Martyr' given it's relationship to martyrdom (but have never looked into it); and Justin, as in, 'Just-in', raises in interesting point about the etymology of 'Justin' ...
Damage done or damage to come, we'll never know I think.
He is defending an idea, an image, that apparently has been subject to critique - it's funny how most every single Church writing seems to be defending itself against criticism, stating presumably with Paul
MrMacSon wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 4:54 pmI've long been suspicious of 'Martyr' given it's relationship to martyrdom (but have never looked into it)....
If you are suspicious that Martyr is not his real given name, well, your suspicion is justified. Justin was said to have suffered martyrdom after being denounced by Crescens. That is where the title Martyr (not a name) comes from.
mlinssen wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 10:25 am
Eighth line from the bottom, eighth letter from the right
Ⳁ - a version of the sampi, a Coptic letter or glyph -
(similar to the Chi-Rho ⳩ which is is next to in the Coptic chart here) .
Doh! I forgot the staurogram ⳨ the glyph / ligature [said to have been formed] from the combination of the Greek letters tau (Τ) and rho (Ρ).
Which came first? . the staurogram ⳨ ? .. or the Coptic 'sampi' Ⳁ ??
The tau-rho staurogram, like other christograms, was originally a pre-Christian symbol. A Herodian coin featuring the Staurogram predates the crucifixion. Soon after, Christian adoption of staurogram symbols served as the first visual images of Jesus on the cross.
Yeah, it all depends what the general demand is for Unicode I suppose. The leftmost two are uppercase vs lowercase "official" staurogram, the remainder seems like specials thrown in at popular demand - just rambling here and going by the Coptic alphabet which ends at the Omega before hitting the Demotic block that, as I have said before, very unfortunately got added to the Greek Unicode earlier.
So what we are now left with is a Unicode for Coptic that is busted for good and can't be correctly sorted alphabetically
mlinssen wrote: ↑Tue Feb 16, 2021 11:46 pm
Yeah, it all depends what the general demand is for Unicode I suppose. The leftmost two are uppercase vs lowercase "official" staurogram, the remainder seems like specials thrown in at popular demand - just rambling here and going by the Coptic alphabet which ends at the Omega before hitting the Demotic block that, as I have said before, very unfortunately got added to the Greek Unicode earlier.
So what we are now left with is a Unicode for Coptic that is busted for good and can't be correctly sorted alphabetically
I figure a lot of attempts to tabulate or categorise these glyphs or symbols are fraught.
Though I'd say, fwiw, the two leftmost, with the shorter down stroke (or larger 'D' shaped loop at the top), would be Coptic Sampi, and the one at the intersection of row U+2CEx and column 8 would be more staurogram-like.
mlinssen wrote: ↑Tue Feb 16, 2021 11:46 pm
Yeah, it all depends what the general demand is for Unicode I suppose. The leftmost two are uppercase vs lowercase "official" staurogram, the remainder seems like specials thrown in at popular demand - just rambling here and going by the Coptic alphabet which ends at the Omega before hitting the Demotic block that, as I have said before, very unfortunately got added to the Greek Unicode earlier.
So what we are now left with is a Unicode for Coptic that is busted for good and can't be correctly sorted alphabetically
I figure a lot of attempts to tabulate or categorise these glyphs or symbols are fraught.
Though I'd say, fwiw, the two leftmost, with the shorter down stroke (or larger 'D' shaped loop at the top), would be Coptic Sampi, and the one at the intersection of row U+2CEx and column 8 would be more staurogram-like.
A significant question is: who borrowed from who?
It would be worth investigating for sure, with the funny Herodian coin pointing to independence of the T/R "letter", which I shall continue to call staurogram for ease of use.
If we find out where it comes from we will find out what Thomas meant by it, and at that same moment we will see how the canonicals completely misunderstood it but didn't dare not copy it (sic)
