Revelation 13:8 supports a death in outer space

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Giuseppe
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Re: Revelation 13:8 supports a death in outer space

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If the Odes of Solomon precede the Gospels and Paul then the his Christ is ipso facto mythical and killed before the creation of the world:

The Son of the Most High appeared in the perfection of His Father;
15 And light dawned from the Word that was beforetime in Him;
16 The Messiah is truly one; and He was known before the foundation of the world,
17 That He might save souls for ever by the truth of His name: a new song arises from those who love Him.

https://www.sacred-texts.com/bib/fbe/fbe235.htm

Why? Because the pre-pauline Hymn to Philippians says that the Son received the name (the Odist says: "He was known before the foundation of the world") only after the death and the resurrection.

Hence, both the death and the Name were given 'before the creation of the world'.
Nihil enim in speciem fallacius est quam prava religio. -Liv. xxxix. 16.
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Re: Revelation 13:8 supports a death in outer space

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Giuseppe wrote: Sat Nov 09, 2019 10:34 pm
Plato talks about the intersection of the ecliptic and the equinox as the point where the Logos was placed in form of chi, etc., ...

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... Jesus was executed on the “cross” of the ecliptic and the equinox, done in by fiendish Archons, Principalities and Powers (1 Cor. 2:8; Col. 2:14-15). The saving death was eventually historicized. Personally, I hold to this theory. It puzzles me that some ridicule this notion as an “outer space crucifixion” when the mytheme is well known from ancient Gnosticism, where it was believed that the Primal Man of Light was dismembered by the Archons in the heavenly realm (“outer space” if you want to call it that) ... the real point is that these ancient nuts believed it— and a good number of other nutty things.

Price, Robert M. . The Journal of Higher Criticism: Volume 13 Number 2 (p.151). Kindle edition
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Good points, though I still think 'heavenly realm' would be better than 'outer space'.
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People in 1st century not write or spoke English, one sees κόσμος and read the modern word Cosmos, hence cognitive dissonance.
https://vivliothikiagiasmatos.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/joseph-yahuda-hebrew-is-greek.pdf
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Julius Caesar (Christ 2.0) envisioned as the second coming of Cyrus Christ(Isaiah 45:1), he was cremated and descended into heaven in a pillar of smoke and resurrected as a comet seen in the sky, that indeed came from space.

Jews, whom mourned the empty tomb of Julius Christ chiseled the comet on tombs.
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That is an actual item from 1st century Judea, an authentic Ossuary, where-as Christians are unable to produce any physical evidence from the 1st century for anything.
https://vivliothikiagiasmatos.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/joseph-yahuda-hebrew-is-greek.pdf
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