Zeus is the Jewish God.

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Luna ( LVNA) means Moon and in Songs 6:10, לְבָנָה ( levanah) is also the Moon, the names are identical, 'Moon' root too words referring too measurements therefore the Hebraic cognates are מוּד, מַד, מְשׂוּרָה and other measuring-type words.

The word Language, notice the 'n before g', this is λογος 'to use the tongue', which is a לָשׁוֹן, γλῶσσα or διάλεκτος another
-ng- word is Angle, see אַצִּיל (atstsiyl) ' elbow' (h679), the Septuagint word is ἀγκῶνα (Agkona) 'bent of the arm' and ἀγκάλη (Agkalh) so this an example of 'אַצִּ > ἀγκ and thus אֶצְבַּע (etsba) "Finger" is ὀκτώ (Eight) (we have 8 of them).

Dog (כֶּלֶב ) KLB became a wolf, the K dropped out and became Lupus , L>R , so KLB became Cerberus (3-headed god) the
son of Typhon. see Caleb, the son of Yephunneh. ( Y-D-T).

In a word like מָלַךְ (MLK), the M doesn't matter, it can be dropped , LK > RK (Rex/ἄρχω). Basilius is מָשַׁל ( Mashel) , M voiced as a B , Mashel becomes Bashel, the Greek word for King.

It's all dialects.
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Casually tossing out letters rather than looking for sound correspondences. What lame pseudo-linguistics.

Back to real linguistics. The list again:

1: I/me, 2: two/pair, 3: thou/thee/you, 4: who/what, 5: tongue, 6: name, 7: eye, 8: heart, 9: tooth, 10: no/not (both ordinary negative and prohibitive), 11: fingernail/toenail, 12: louse, 13: tear (from eye), 14: water, 15: dead. 16: nit (louse egg), 17: Moon, 18: hand, 19: night, 20: blood, 21: horn, 22: full, 23: Sun, 24: ear, 25: salt.

Lithuanian: 1: aš, man-, 2: du, dvi, 3: tu, 4: kas, kuris, 5: liežuvis, 6: vardas, pavadinimas, 7: akis, 8: širdis, 9: dantis, 10: ne, 11: nagas, 12: utėlė, 13: -, 14: vanduo, 15: (to die) mirti, dvėsti, žūti, 16: -, 17: mėnulis, mėnuo, mėnesis, 18: ranka, 19: naktis, 20: kraujas, 21: ragas, 22: pilnas, kupinas, 23: saulė, 24: ausis, 25: druska

Russian: 1: я (ja), men-, 2: два (dva), 3: ты (ty), 4: кто (kto), что (što), 5: язы́к (jazýk), 6: и́мя (ímja), имена́ pl (imená), 7: глаз (glaz), о́ко (óko), 8: се́рдце (sérdce), 9: зуб (zub), 10: не (ne), 11: но́готь (nógotʹ), 12: вошь (vošʹ), 13: -, 14: вода́ (vodá), 15: (to die) умира́ть (umirátʹ), умере́ть (umerétʹ), 16: -, 17: луна́ (luná), ме́сяц (mésjac, “half moon”), 18: рука́ (ruká), 19: ночь (nočʹ), 20: кровь (krovʹ), 21: рог (rog), 22: по́лный (pólnyj), 23: со́лнце (sólnce), 24: у́хо (úxo), 25: соль (solʹ)

Sanskrit: 1: अहम् (ahám), ma-, 2: द्वि (dví), 3: त्वम् (tvám), 4: क (ká), किम् (kím), 5: जिह्वा (jihvā́), 6: नामन् (nā́man), 7: अक्षि (ákṣi), 8: हृदय (hṛ́daya), 9: दन्त (dánta), 10: न (ná), 11: नख (nakhá), 12: यूका (yūkā), 13: -, 14: जल (jalá), अप् (áp), पानीय (pānīya), वारि (vā́ri), उदन् (udán), तोज (toja), 15: (he/she/it dies) म्रियते (mriyáte), 16: -, 17: मास (mā́sa), चन्द्रमस् (candramas), चन्द्र (candrá), 18: हस्त (hásta), पाणि (pāṇí), 19: रात्रि (rā́tri), नक्ति (nákti), क्षप् (kṣáp), रजनी (rajanī), 20: रक्त (rakta), असृज् (ásṛj), 21: शृङ्ग (śṛṅgá), 22: पूर्ण (pūrṇá), 23: सूर्य (sū́rya), रवि (ravi), सूर (sū́ra), भास्कर (bhāskara), 24: कर्ण (kárṇa), 25: लवण (lavaṇá)

I find some additional correspondences, like for "horn" and "heart", English /h/ ~ Latin, Greek /k/ ~ Lithuanian, Russian, Sanskrit /s/. However, "who" and "what" have English /h(w)/ ~ Latin /kw/ ~ Greek /t/ ~ Lithuanian, Sanskrit /k/ ~ Russian /k/, /ch/. I also find that /m/ and /n/ are very well-preserved over all these six languages, at least initially, and that English /t/ ~ all the others /d/ and /th/ ~ all the others /t/.

This may seem like small-number statistics, but the way to avoid that is to look at a *lot* of words, and I don't think that I have the patience to do that here.
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Hebrew: 1: ani, 2: shtayim, 3: ata, 4: mi, ma, 5: lashon, 6: shem, 7: ayin, 8: leb, 9: shen, 10: lo, ein, 11: tsiporen, 12: kina, 13: -, 14: mayim, 15: (to die) met, 16: -, 17: yareach, 18: yad, 19: laila, 20: dam, 21: keren, 22: male, 23: shemesh, 24: ozen, 25: melach

Arabic: 1: ʔana, 2: ʔiθnân, 3: ʔanta m, ʔanti f, 4: man, mâ, mâðâ, 5: lisân, 6: ism, 7: ʕayn, 8: qalb, 9: sinn, 10: lâ, lam, mâ, 11: ðˁufr, 12: qamla, 13: -, 14: mâʔ, 15: (to die) mâta, 16: -, 17: qamar, 18: yad, 19: layla, 20: dam, 21: qarn, 22: mumtaliʔ, 23: shams, 24: ʔuðun, 25: milħ

The Hebrew and Arabic ones are remarkably similar. They also look very different from my previous ones, ones which are all Indo-European. There are a few with some resemblance, like "to die" and "horn", but a lot of them don't look anything alike. Like "two" and "night".
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The word 'Horn' as barely changed, in Hebrew this is קָרַן (Qeren), in Latin this is Cornus.

The rooting meaning of the word 'Heart' is Hollow, a Hebrew that comes into mind is חֶרֶשׂ ( Cheres), כִּיר (kiyr), and סִיר (ciyr), this word appears in 2 Kings 25:14 and the corresponding Greek word is λέβητας ( Lebetas), which means ' kettle, cauldron' (hollow vessel) and the Hebrew word for Heart is Leb (לֵב) , connected too the PIE root ' *leubh- where we get the word 'Love'.

Hebrew is a prefix-suffix language, removing-adding letters is what this language does, the Hebrew word often translated as Egypt , which
is MZRIM, this word is formed by 3 parts, מ-צר-ים and the root meaning is τειχήρεις ' enclosed by walls' .

ἀγαπάω ( agapéō) means love, see ahab (H157) , same word.
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Ethan wrote: Tue Apr 24, 2018 5:43 pm The word 'Horn' as barely changed, in Hebrew this is קָרַן (Qeren), in Latin this is Cornus.
While ignoring all the lack of correspondence. Yes, ignoring.

Let's look at first and second person singular personal pronouns. Indo-European ones are standalone, with separate nominative and oblique versions, while Hebrew ones are standalone (nominative-only) and suffixes. The suffix forms are used for possession and to indicate objects of prepositions. Hebrew has a direct-object preposition, et.
IE 1st: *ego- ... *me-
IE 2nd: *tû ... *te-
Heb 1st: ani ... -i
Heb 2nd ata ... -kha

So Hebrew doesn't resemble Indo-European very much.

Some other lack of resemblance:
"two": dwô, shtayim
"name": *nômn-, shem
"heart": *kerd-, leb
"night": *nokwt-, laila
"sun": *sâwel-, shemesh
The rooting meaning of the word 'Heart' is Hollow,
As they say on Wikipedia, citation needed.
Hebrew is a prefix-suffix language, removing-adding letters is what this language does, ...
How convenient. If one does enough of that, one can identify anything with anything. That's shoddy pseudolinguistics.
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The Numbers List -- I'll copy out of it.

English one two three four five six seven eight nine ten
/wän/, /tû/ /thrî/, /for/, /faiv/ /siks/, /sevän/, /eit/ /nain/ /tin/

Old English án twá þrí féower fíf sex seofon eahta niɣon tíen

Latin ūnus duo trēs quattuor quinque sex septem octō novem decem
(Old Latin had oinos for one)

Mycenean Greek e-me (*hemei) du-wo (*dwo) ti-rɨ(*tri-) qe-to-ro (*quetro-) we- (*wex-) e-ne-wo (*ennewo-)
Classical Greek heīs dúō treīs téttares pénte héx heptá oktṓ ennéa déka

Lithuanian víenas dù trỹs keturì penkì šešì septynì aštuonì devynì dēšimt

Russian odín dva tri četÿre pyat’ šest’ sem’ vósem’ dévyat’ désyat’
written один два три четыре пять шесть семь восемь девять десять

Sanskrit éka dvá trí catúr páñca ṣaṣ saptá aṣṭá náva dáśa


Classical Hebrew ’aḥat štayim šâlôš ’arba‘ ḥâmêš šêš šeba‘ šᵉmôneh têša‘ ‘eser

There is a little bit of resemblance for "six" and "seven", but that's about it.
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יָדַע ' Yada * to know
דֵּעַ ' Dea * knowledge
εἰδῶ 'Eido /οἶδα 'Oida * to know

The root meaning of Heart is 'Hollow', same with Hearth *ker, חֶרֶשׂ ( Cheres), כִּיר (kiyr), and סִיר (ciyr) (hollow-vessel)
and Kolpon (κόλπος) (atrium of the heart) see Arabic Qalbun (قلب)

Liver - كبد ( Kabad ), ἥπατος (Hpatos), כָּבֵד (Kabad)

Medusa = מְדֻשָׁה (mĕdushshah) 'that which is threshed' (h4098)

καίω (Kaiu) "to set on fire, light, burning" .
καπνός (Kapnos) "smoke"
κλίβανος (Klibanos) "furnace, oven, earthen vessel for baking bread.'
לָבַב (Labab) "To cook bread"
לַבָּה ( Labeh) " flame"
לְבוֹנָה (Lebownah) "incense for burning"
לָבָן ( Laban) "white' * when Incense & Coal is burnt, it turns white
λευκός (Leukos) "white' ( Leukon > Lebhon > Laban/Alban)
λέβητας (Lebetas), λέβης(Lebhs) "kettle, Cauldron"

בשמ (Besem) "Sweet smell" ὀσμῇ ( Osem) *ϝὀσμῇ (Besem)


אל עלה " Allah " ὁ̂ ἥλιος ( Sun-god)

MILK (or anything sweet)
- מָצַץ [matsats] - suck out ( Milk)
- מוּג [Mug] - cause too melt [ Amos 9:13]
- מָצָה [matsah] - suck out
- מַלְתָּעוֹת [Maltaa] " teeth'
- ἀμέλγω [Amelge] "milk'
- ἄμελξις [Amelcis] 'milking'
- μέλιτος [Melitos] 'honey'
- לְחִי [lĕchiy] "cheek teeth'
- לַח [lach] "moisten'
- מַלְקוֹחַ [ malqowach] "jaw"
- יָלַע [ Yala] " Swallow down"
- γάλα [ Gala] "Milk"
- עוּל [ 'ul - 'Gul ] "suckling"
- γάλακτος [ Galaktos] "sweet milk"
- יָנַק [ Yanaq] "Suckle"
- θηλάζω [Thelazo] "suckling"
- חָלָב [Chalab] "Milk"
- γλῶσσαν > γλσν > λσν > לָשַׁן [Lashan] لسان [ Lisan ] " to use the tongue "

Head
Hobid, Latin Kaput Hebrew Gabek גִּבֵּחַ Kadad קָדַד Kipot כִּ

Face [front of the head]
Prosopon [toward-look] , Panah פָּנָה [turn] thus Panim פָּנִים

עָקֹב [aqob] a 'crooked/bent '
ἀγκύλος [ Agkulos ] 'crooked'
עָקַל [Akal ] 'crooked'
ἐκκλίνω [Akklino ] 'crooked'
עֲקַלָּתוֹן [ Akalthon ] 'crooked'
αγκαλιαζω [ Agkaliazw ] 'crooked'
σκολιός [Skolios]
*Jacob(crooked) > Israel (straight) * crooked made straight

BOX
- Pak [פַּךְ] vial/flask of water ( H6378)
- Puxos [πύξος] Box
- Pithos [πίθος] Large-Jar ( Pandora's Box)
- Pakah [פָּכָה] 'water-pourer
- Apak [אָפִיק] ' stream of water
- Pakazo [πηγάζω] 'stream of water
- Paka [πηγή]' Running water
- Pakasus [Πήγασος] - Winged horse
- Ippos [ἵππος - Horse] * Ikkos
- Ekuus - Horse
- Akua - Water * Aqua ( Latin)
- Kuk [סוּס] - Horse

HELL (always a place of rest in ancient times)
γαληνός ( Galhnos) - 'calm'
שַׁלְאֲנָן ( Salann) - ease
שַׁלְוָה ( Shalvah) - calm/peace'
σχολή ( Skolh) - ease/rest
שְׁלָה ( shĕlah ) - at rest


TOWNS
Gaza ( עַזָּה ) ἄστυ ( Astu )
Ashdod (אַשְׁדּוֹד) ἀστός ( Astos )
Cush (כּוּשׁ ) κάος ( Kaos)
Havilah (חֲוִילָה) ἐπαύλεις (Epauleis)
Aram ( אֲרָם ) ἁρμός ( Armos)
Qereth (קֶרֶת ) πόλις (Polis)

Cypress Tree
κυπάρισσοι ( Cyparissoi ) > בְּרוֹשׁ (Berosh) * 1 Kings 5:8
κυπάριττοι ( Cyparittoi ) > בְּרוֹת ( Beroth) * Songs 1:17

Troxue (τρόχου) = Rakav (רֶכֶב) * train-track

- Extremities of the Greek Empire
Aryan = Ἕλλην (Hellen)
Iraq = αργος (Argos)
Scythia = σκύθης( Skuthos)
Achaemenid = ἀχαιοί μάντῖς

עָקָר (Akar) ' barren
- ἄκουρος ( Akouros) 'barren

אָָנַס 'Anac ' to compel'
ἀναγκάζω 'Anagkazw ' to compel'

'רצח' (Ratsah) 'break into pieces / smite '
'ἀράσσω' (Arasso) ' break into pieces / Smite
- Exodus 20:13 - לא רצח - οὐ ἀράσσω

בָּדַל (BDL) - Divide > MDL (Middle)
-BDL > VDL > WDL > WDR > Wider, Widow, Wither, With, Vider, divider

Tyro/Troy צֹר (Phoenician Walled City )
Ilion/ Ἴλιον אַלּוֹן ( plain)
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I'll now do close relatives: father, mother, brother, sister, son, daughter

Old English: faeder, mōdor, brōþor, sweostor, sunu, dōhtor
Latin: pater, māter, frater, soror, filius, filia
Cls. Greek: πατήρ (patḗr), μήτηρ (mḗtēr), ἀδελφός (adelphós),ἀδελφή (adelphḗ), υἱός (huiós), θυγάτηρ (thugátēr)
Lithuanian: tėvas, mótė, brolis, sesuo, sūnùs, duktė
Russian: оте́ц (otéc), мать (matʹ), брат (brat), сестра́ (sestrá), сын (syn), дочь (ru) f (dočʹ)
Sanskrit: पितृ (pitṛ), मातृ (mātṛ), भ्रातृ (bhrātṛ), स्वसृ (svásṛ), सूनु (sūnú), दुहितृ (duhitṛ)

Hebrew: אָב‎‎ (ab), אֵם‎‎ (em), אָח‎‎ (akh), אָחוֹת‎‎ (akhót), בֵּן‎‎ (ben), בַּת‎‎ (bat)
Arabic: أَب‎‎ (ʾab), مّ‎‎ (ʾumm), أَخ‎‎ (ʾaḵ), ت‎‎ (ʾuḵt) اِبْن‎‎ (ibn), بِنْت‎‎ (bint)

Here again, one can see how the Indo-European languages form one group and the Semitic ones another. Something that makes hash out of Ethan's pseudolinguistics.
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פֶּטֶר (peter) ' Father & Mother

υἱός , also written υἱῶν , 'υ' is a V, so Uion > Vion > BN (בֵּן)

In Songs of Solomon, דוד (DVD) is ἀδελφιδός in the Septuagint , φ also represents ו and
so Adelphidos > Adelvidos > Adevidos > Devid (pronounced dafydd) or David (Beloved or Uncle)

אָב‎‎ (ab), אֵם‎‎ (em), אָח‎‎ (akh) are prefix articles, εὗ, ειμι, ἀγῇ.

θυγάτηρ (Thugater), this stems from Linear B, Tu-ka-te , this also roots the Latin ' Filia;.

Tukate > Thugater (Greek) > Daughter (English)
Tukate > Tvkate > Tbkte > Tbhte > Bhte > Bht > בַּת (Hebrew)
Tukate > Tvkate > Tfkte > Fghia > Filia (Latin)

Ϝοἶκος > Ϝἶκ (no vowels) > בַּיִת ' house'
https://vivliothikiagiasmatos.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/joseph-yahuda-hebrew-is-greek.pdf
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More and more worthless pseudolinguistics.

Like this, from Johannes Goropius Becanus - Wikipedia (1519-1572):
Linguistic theories

Goropius theorized that Antwerpian Brabantic, spoken in the region between the Scheldt and Meuse Rivers, was the original language spoken in Paradise. Goropius believed that the most ancient language on Earth would be the simplest language, and that the simplest language would contain mostly short words. Since Brabantic has a higher number of short words than do Latin, Greek, and Hebrew, Goropius reasoned that it was the older language.

A corollary of this theory was that all languages derived ultimately from Brabantic. The Latin word for “oak,” quercus, Goropius derived from werd-cou (“keeps out cold”); the Hebrew name “Noah” he derived from nood (“need”). Goropius also believed that Adam and Eve were Brabantic names (from Hath-Dam, or “dam against hate"; and Eu-Vat, “barrel from which people originated,” or from Eet-Vat, “oath-barrel,” respectively). Another corollary involved locating the Garden of Eden itself in the Brabant region. In the book known as Hieroglyphica, Goropius also allegedly proved to his own satisfaction that Egyptian hieroglyphics represented Brabantic.
From "Legacy" in that article:
Though Goropius had admirers (among them Abraham Ortelius and Richard Hakluyt), his etymologies have been considered "linguistic chauvinism," and Leibniz coined the term goropism, meaning absurd etymological theories. Justus Lipsius and Hugo Grotius discounted Goropius's linguistic theories. "Never have I read greater nonsense," the scholar Joseph Scaliger wrote of Goropius's etymologies.
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