Zeus is the Jewish God.

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lpetrich wrote: Fri Apr 06, 2018 9:17 pm I have been reluctant to comment on Ethan's junky pseudolinguistics, but I must note that Zeus's name is Indo-European, not Semitic
  • Germanic: *Tiwaz > Old English Tiu, Old Norse Tyr
  • Latin: Jup(p)iter < Jovis Pater ("Father Jove")
    [*}Greek: Zeus Pater ("Father Zeus")
  • Sanskrit: Dyaus Pitar ("Father Dyaus")
In Proto-Indo-European, this is *Dyêus Pätêr (my spelling), roughly "Father Sky". Latin, Greek, Sanskrit, and likely PIE used name-title, while English uses title-name.
I tried to point this out upthread, but it barely even slowed down the train.
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You hadn't mentioned the name's cognates across Indo-Europeandom. There is also the problem that "Zeus" is the nominative or subject form, and that other noun-case forms start with Di-. Thus, Dios genitive "of Zeus", Dii dative "to Zeus", Dia accusative "Zeus (object)", Zeu vocative "Zeus! (when addressing him)"

From Proto-Indo-European *Dyêus Pätêr ("Father Sky", * means reconstruction),
  • Germanic: *Tiwaz > Old English Tiu, Old Norse Tyr
  • Latin: Jup(p)iter < Jovis Pater ("Father Jove") -- Umbrian Iupater, Old Latin (?) diesptr
  • Greek: Zeus Pater ("Father Zeus") with oblique stem Di-
  • Sanskrit: Dyaus Pitar- ("Father Dyaus")
(typo fixed)

Proto-Indo-European religion - Wikipedia mentions other deities that the PIE speakers worshipped, like a goddess of the dawn (*Ausôs-), a storm god (*Perkwunos), and some divine horse-riding twins. The names of deities show some variation, with Thor and Taranis, Germanic and Celtic storm gods, having names that mean "thunder".

Their mythology included themes like the Sun and the Moon traveling across the sky in chariots, the storm god killing a multiheaded snake monster that lives in water (like Hercules vs. the Hydra), and a creation story involving twin brothers where one of them sacrifices the other and then creates the familiar universe from the sacrificed one's body. Their names are Man (*manu-) and Twin (*yemo-). A version of this is in Norse mythology, where Ymir is killed and dismembered and the familiar Universe created from his remains. These twins were brought down to Earth in the creation story of Rome, where Romulus more-or-less means "Roman" and Remus has a R to alliterate with Romulus's name.
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Those mythological themes are present in Phoenician mythology and the Bible.

Hercules in Phoenician is Melqart [מלךקרת ]
- MLKQRT > LKQRT > RKKLS " Her'kleez "
- MRKKRS > " Mercurius "

Hercules was the God that protected the Mediterranean merchants.

The Chariot is one of the main attributes of Yahweh [2Sa 22:11] .
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multi-headed dragons [ Rev 13 / Daniel 7] .

Hydra means 'Water' , snakes symbolize the rivers that slither across the land, Orontes river was originally Typhon, River Abraham flows red due from the slain blood of Cetus, slain by Perseus. Phoenicians are mentioned throughout Greek mythology.

Zeus appear in names, Jonathan - Διόδοτος "Given by Zeus" .
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Ethan wrote: Sat Apr 07, 2018 2:27 pm Those mythological themes are present in Phoenician mythology and the Bible.

Hercules in Phoenician is Melqart [מלךקרת ]
- MLKQRT > LKQRT > RKKLS " Her'kleez "
- MRKKRS > " Mercurius "
Childish pseudolinguistics. Add a letter here, remove a letter there, rearrange the letters, and you can identify anything with anything.
The Chariot is one of the main attributes of Yahweh [2Sa 22:11] .
So what? Lots of deities were depicted as riding chariots. As Xenophanes noted, people think that the deities that they worship are just like them.
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lpetrich wrote: Mon Apr 09, 2018 2:28 am
Ethan wrote: Sat Apr 07, 2018 2:27 pm Those mythological themes are present in Phoenician mythology and the Bible.

Hercules in Phoenician is Melqart [מלךקרת ]
- MLKQRT > LKQRT > RKKLS " Her'kleez "
- MRKKRS > " Mercurius "
Childish pseudolinguistics. Add a letter here, remove a letter there, rearrange the letters, and you can identify anything with anything.
The Chariot is one of the main attributes of Yahweh [2Sa 22:11] .
So what? Lots of deities were depicted as riding chariots. As Xenophanes noted, people think that the deities that they worship are just like them.
I don't add, remove or rearrange letters, מלךקרת is Hercules, known as the Tyrian Herakles, they are about three temples to Melqart, in
Spain, Ibiza and Cartagena, he is also found in Phoenician colonies, like Sicily, Malta. it was customary to build a temple to Melqart, as protector of Tyrian traders, in each new Phoenician colony.

They are only a few Chariot riding deities and they allude to main land Phoenicia and form the foundation for the Biblical stories, specifically the story of the Exodus, when "Pharoah's Chariot' plunged into Yam-Suph, this is the Myth of Phaethon, who rode the flaming chariot of Helios that plunged into Eridanos, scorching the river.

2 Kings 2:8
And he took the mantle of Elijah (Helios) that fell from him, and smote the waters
2 Kings 2:11
behold, there appeared a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven.
2 Kings 2:13
he bank of Jordan [ Yardan-saphah] ( synonym with Yam-Suph) (Ιορδανός - Ηριδανός)

4th century CE Jewish synagogue, the Chariot .
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4th Century BCE Jewish Coin, the Chariot
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In the LXX, Elijah is Ηλιου .

Yam Suph ( Red Sea)
- Suph [סוֹף ] "Lips or Consume"
- Suphah [סוּפָה] "storm, whirwind or tempest"

Yam Suph consumed the chariot.

Zepheniah 1:2
I will utterly consume[סוּף] all things from off the land, said Yehovah.

Jeremiah 4:13
Behold, he shall come up as clouds, and his chariots shall be as a whirlwind[סוּפָה]

Suph [סוֹף] - Zefs [Ζεύς ]
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This ancient pot [ 540–530 BCE] depicts Zeus aiming his thunderbolt at Typhon and his name is written Ἰευς , in Phoenician it be
written יהוה .

The Canaanite storm deity, Saphon [סוּפָה] defeats Yam [multi-headed serpent] with his thunderbolts , Zeus is Suph.

Typhon "תֹּפֶת" - Spiting
Tanin "πτύων" - Spit out
Dragon "יָרַק" - to spit
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Joshua 2:10 - Lord dried up the water of the Red sea
Joshua 4:24 - Lord died up the waters of the Jordan

Psalms 74:13-5
Thou didst divide the sea by thy strength: thou brakest the heads of the dragons in the waters.
Thou brakest the heads of leviathan in pieces, and gavest him to be meat to the people inhabiting the wilderness
Thou didst cleave[בָּקַע] the fountain and the flood: thou driedst up mighty rivers.

Exodus 14:21
LORD caused the sea [Yam] to go back by a strong east wind all that night, and made the sea dry land, and the waters were cleaved[בָּקַע].

The word 'Cleave' is baqa [בָּקַע] and root of the word Biq'ah[בִּקְעָה] that always refers too Beqaa Valley , in Lebanon.

Epic of Gilgamesh - Tablet V
The ground split open with the heels of their feet, as they whirled around in circles Mt. Saphon (Hermon) and Lebanon split.

Saphon [הַר־נִשְׁפֶּה] is the Ugaritic name of Hermon.

Gen 3:15 ' thou shalt bruise (שׁוּף) his heel. ( Gen 25:26)
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Gen 2:10 " multi-headed Dragon "
A river went out of Eden to water the garden; and from thence it was parted, and became into four heads.

Orontes River, according to Strabo was originally named Typhon , Zeus had struck the dragon Typhon down from the sky with thunder, and the river had formed where Typhon's body had fallen.

The source of the River is Labweh , Beqaa Valley, from the many winter-torrents of Mount Hermon [ Anti-Lebanon mountains ]

Mount Hermon
Hermon has seasonal winter and spring snow falls, which cover all three of its peaks for most of the year. Melt water from the snow-covered mountain's western and southern bases seeps into the rock channels and pores, feeding springs at the base of the mountain, which form streams and rivers.
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Deu 4:48 - Mount Sion[χῖον], which is Hermon * ( Mount Zion which is Jerusalem ) ( Mount Olympus)
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Ethan wrote: Mon Apr 09, 2018 3:02 amI don't add, remove or rearrange letters,
You did.
מלךקרת is Hercules, known as the Tyrian Herakles, they are about three temples to Melqart, in
Spain, Ibiza and Cartagena, he is also found in Phoenician colonies, like Sicily, Malta. it was customary to build a temple to Melqart, as protector of Tyrian traders, in each new Phoenician colony.
Ethan, have you ever heard of syncretism?
They are only a few Chariot riding deities ...
Why should I take seriously horse doo-doo like that? Lots of deities have been depicted as riding chariots. Like several of the deities in the Vedas.
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