YHWH = Dionysus

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YHWH = Dionysus

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Jewish insecurities notwithstanding, YHWH was an obviously syncretistic deity mix in the Diaspora c.150 BC. Those who argue for the purity of this god are left to deny all the archaeological evidence once again.

https://www.asor.org/anetoday/2017/08/yhwh/
Troublesome evidence, however, reveals a much closer relation of YHWH to Dionysus than to Zeus. The first point is the broad diffusion and popularity of the cult of Dionysus in ancient Israel, the deity being worshipped even in priestly cities in the cult of YHWH, such as Sepphoris. The second is the identification of the Nabatean god Dushara (Dusares) with Dionysus. The appellation DuSara (ze seir = the one from Seir) coincides with the origin of YHWH from Seir in biblical poetry (Judges 5:4; Deut 33:2) and DuShara was probably a late Edomite version of the worship of YHWH.

The third is the syncretism observed in Thrace during the Hellenistic period, between the cult of YHWH and that of Sabazius (the Thracian Dionysus), in which Jews and pagans gathered in the same religious communities. Given the particularism of Jews, this singularity argues in favor of strong shared ancestry, if not identity, between the two gods. The fourth concerns the interdiction of the subversive cult of Dionysus-Liber in Rome as formulated by the Senate in 139 BCE. This edict led, in 133 BCE, to the persecution of the Jews, who were curiously accused of propagating the cult of Dionysus-Liber. All these observations plead toward an identification of Dionysus, Liber, and Sabazius with YHWH, extensively acknowledged both by Jews and pagans, during the last centuries preceding the Christian era.

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https://www.ancient-origins.net/human-o ... us-0014291
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I don't know what the merit of this claim is, but there are some interesting potential implications. Dionysus was a sort of "second god". He was not a part of the original 12 of the Greek pantheon. And the cults of Dionysus shared many aspects of Christianity, in terms of ideas about the soul and freeing one's soul from the prison of the material world. It does make one wonder about Gnostic interpretations. Dionysus was a sort of new and foreign God, who challenged the designs of the original Creator.
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For those who prefer to read such matters in French: Dionysos dieu des Juifs : la mesure du mélange
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and one more - available at Hathi Trust:
  • Elderkin, G. W. Related Religious Ideas of Delphi, Tara and Jerusalem: A Study of the Dionysiac Tradition. Springfield, Mass.: Pond-Ekberg Co, 1962.
https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/007370156.
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