Re: Justin Martyr, the Gospel of Luke, and Marcion.
Posted: Tue Apr 13, 2021 8:10 am
And notice that Book Four begins:
So he raises an accusation of 'interpolation' - i.e. to introduce (something) between other things; especially to insert (possibly spurious) words into a text. He brings up almost no examples of that EVER. He mentions the Marcionite accusation that the orthodox texts are interpolated at 4.3:Omnem sententiam et omnem paraturam impii atque sacrilegi Marcionis ad ipsum iam evangelium eius provocamus quod interpolando suum fecit.
Every opinion and the whole scheme of the impious and sacrilegious Marcion we now bring to the test of that very Gospel which, by his process of interpolation, he has made his own.
Every sentence, indeed the whole structure, arising from Marcion's impiety and profanity, I now challenge in terms of that gospel which he has by manipulation made his own.
Again that the Judaizers 'interpolated' the Marcionite gospel at 4.4:Si vero apostoli quidem integrum evangelium contulerunt, de sola convictus inaequalitate reprehensi, pseudapostoli autem veritatem eorum interpolaverunt, et inde sunt nostra digesta, quod erit germanum illud apostolorum instrumentum quod adulteros passum est,1 quod Paulum illuminavit et ab eo Lucam?
And that's it!! What kind of BS is this? A charge is raised at the very beginning only to complete drop out of the text. Then he goes on to mention erasure of passages. Maybe 3 or 4 examples which are really quite minor. Again it's all bullshit. At 6.2:Si enim id evangelium quod Lucae refertur penes nos (viderimus an et penes Marcionem) ipsum est quod Marcion per Antitheses suas arguit ut interpolatum a protectoribus Iudaismi ad concorporationem legis et prophetarum, qua etiam Christum inde confingerent, utique non potuisset arguere nisi quod invenerat.
at 7.4 it is the 'erasure' of Matthew 5:17 so bullshit about Luke being erased:Certe propterea contraria quaeque sententiae suae erasit, conspirantia cum creatore, quasi ab assertoribus eius intexta: competentia autem sententiae suae reservavit. Haec conveniemus, haec amplectemur, si nobiscum magis fuerint, si Marcionis praesumptionem percusserint. Tunc et illa constabit eodem vitio haereticae caecitatis erasa quo et haec reservata.
at 9:15 'erasure' of Matthew 5:17 again bullshit, bullshit about any change to Luke:Ceterum et loco et illuminationis opere secundum praedicationem occurrentibus Christo iam eum prophetatum incipimus agnoscere, ostendentem in primo ingressu venisse se non ut legem et prophetas dissolveret, sed ut potius adimpleret. Hoc enim Marcion ut additum erasit.
And then one last mention of 'erasure' at 43:7 which is the worst example yet. He says:Quid ergo tibi fuit de evangelio erasisse quod salvum est?
And then he drops any mention at all of any intention to actually provide us information about the Marcionite text and simply cite from Luke in order and claim that these 'are the Marcionite passages which the heretic retained.' I can't believe that smart people buy into this con game. He's just committed the greatest bait and switch in history right under the noses of everyone for millennia. You are perpetuating the greatest fraud. And why? Just so you can have something to write about? There are lots of things in the Bible to think about, consider whatever. But Marcion is just garbage in garbage out.Now Marcion was unwilling to expunge from his Gospel some statements which even made against him----I suspect, on purpose, to have it in his power from the passages which he did not suppress, when he could have done so, either to deny that he had expunged anything, or else to justify his suppressions, if he made any. But he spares only such passages as he can subvert quite as well by explaining them away as by expunging them from the text. Thus, in the passage before us, he would have the words, "A spirit hath not bones, as ye see me have," so transposed, as to mean, "A spirit, such as ye see me to be, hath not bones; "that is to say, it is not the nature of a spirit to have bones. But what need of so tortuous a construction, when He might have simply said, "A spirit hath not bones, even as you observe that I have not?"
Et Marcion quaedam contraria sibi illa, credo industria, eradere de evangelio suo noluit, ut ex his quae eradere potuit nec erasit, illa quae erasit aut negetur erasisse aut merito erasisse dicatur. Nec parcit nisi eis quae non minus aliter interpretando quam delendo subvertit.