James, Peter and John in Galatians

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James, Peter and John in Galatians

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In Galatians, Paul chronicles the occasions and relates the circumstances that he consulted with Peter the chief apostle, and James the bishop, and John the theologian.

Paul names all three of Jesus' archbishops in a clandestine fashion. The passage is not worded in the well-known gospel structure of 'Peter, and James, and John', or as 'Peter, and John, and James', but as 'James, Cephas, and John', combined with 'who seemed to be pillars', and not with wording such as, "that ruled the church from Jerusalem, and Rome, and Ephesus".

Protection of the Christian top tier was an imperative and that's encompassed in the obfuscation format of Paul's epistle, and with Christian writings. By avoiding to publish certified identities matched to a specific relationship, Christians endeavored to keep the brethren out of harms way from religious and political opposition: Letter of Aristeas, ‹our law forbids us to injure any one by word or deed›.

Up to his death in April, A.D. 70¹ and continuing after, the Bishop of Jerusalem didn't have his full name certified in the gospel, and such is the opacity of the fellowship by not clearly identifying him, James, 'the brother of the Lord' is not known today as James son of Zebedee.

The Galatians text of 'But other of the apostles saw I none, save James, the Lord's brother' is written in the vernacular — that is the apostle James in appearance and character was 'the brother of the Lord'.

James was thought to be a brother of the Lord, 'according to the flesh'² that is according to the foolish wisdom of the flesh. Jesus Christ, however called him his brother on account of James' venerable character,³ appendant to his material physiology of being a brother ‹in the flesh›³, due to the coequal nurturing of their upbringing³.

James son of Zebedee was called "brother" by Jesus Christ for he held James venerable, approved by the Father.³ Bearing the authoritativeness of Jesus Christ, James is endowed a brother in the vernacular, consonant with gospel recordings of kinship and extended relationships, from which consistency with theology emerges.

In Galatians James, for a preventative measure, is not openly addressed as the bishop promulgating³ Christianity in Jerusalem, and Paul is non-descript as to kind of brother of the Lord — biological, uterine or vernacular — in order to prevent assailers targeting in certainty him and the respective kith and kin.

Cephas, is non-descript as the chief apostle Peter³ and is kept opaque especially by Paul, for Peter having received the apostle's leadership after Jesus Christ's departure, consequently had to avoid a similar fate as head of the sect. Having the chief apostle not identified in certainty was a preventative against the assailing of him and of his kith and kin.

John, the apostle charged with the administration of the church and its doctrine is also kept non-descript, to avoid threats to the well-being of the administrator chiefly responsible for the spreading of the Christian doctrine.† Not having a principal administrator identified in certainty is a preventative against the assailing of him, and of his kith and kin.

¹Hegesippus. ²Didascalia. ³Apocalypse of James; Böhlig; Contendings of the Apostles. †Assumption of the Virgin.

Replication from original, see here.
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Trees of Life wrote: Tue Mar 02, 2021 3:35 am
Protection of the Christian top tier was an imperative and that's encompassed in the obfuscation format of Paul's epistle, and with Christian writings. By avoiding to publish certified identities matched to a specific relationship, see here Christians endeavored to keep the brethren out of harms way from religious and political opposition: Letter of Aristeas, ‹our law forbids us to injure any one by word or deed›.
Was Titus Timothy?
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Trees of Life wrote: Tue Mar 02, 2021 3:35 am
Up to his death in April, A.D. 70¹ and continuing after, the Bishop of Jerusalem didn't have his full name certified in the gospel, and such is the opacity of the fellowship by not clearly identifying him, James, 'the brother of the Lord' is not known today as James son of Zebedee.
If so, what is your interpretation of the Jameses of these texts?

Acts 12
1 About that time, King Herod reached out to harm some who belonged to the church.
2 He had James, the brother of John, put to death with the sword.

When was that? In Acts, this is told before the Acts 15:13 Jerusalem Council.

Acts 12
16 But Peter kept on knocking, and when they opened the door and saw him, they were astounded.
17 Peter motioned with his hand for silence, and he described how the Lord had brought him out of the prison. “Send word to James and to the brothers,” he said, and he left for another place.

Which James was Peter speaking of?
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gryan wrote: Tue Mar 02, 2021 4:15 am
Trees of Life wrote: Tue Mar 02, 2021 3:35 am
Up to his death in April, A.D. 70¹ and continuing after, the Bishop of Jerusalem didn't have his full name certified in the gospel, and such is the opacity of the fellowship by not clearly identifying him, James, 'the brother of the Lord' is not known today as James son of Zebedee.
If so, what is your interpretation of the Jameses of these texts?

Acts 12
1 About that time, King Herod reached out to harm some who belonged to the church.
2 He had James, the brother of John, put to death with the sword.

When was that? In Acts, this is told before the Acts 15:13 Jerusalem Council.

Acts 12
16 But Peter kept on knocking, and when they opened the door and saw him, they were astounded.
17 Peter motioned with his hand for silence, and he described how the Lord had brought him out of the prison. “Send word to James and to the brothers,” he said, and he left for another place.

Which James was Peter speaking of?
When was that?

Acts 12.2: James the brother of John aka James the Less, John's brother by their mothers, was executed circa A.D. 44.

Acts 12.16,17: Peter leaves information to be passed on to the bishop/overseer of the church and the brethren. James retired to the desert, writing the Protevangelium at the time: ‹I James wrote this history in Jerusalem: and when the disturbance was I retired into a desert place, until the death of Herod.› Protevangelium translator: Postellus.

Which James was Peter speaking of? [Acts 12.16/17.]

James the son of Zebedee, James the Just, the Lord's brother in the flesh, called James, the Lord's brother in Galatians.
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Trees of Life wrote: Tue Mar 02, 2021 5:01 am James was in the desert writing the Protevangelium at the time: 'Now I, James wrote this history in Jerusalem when tumult arose on the death of Herod' — circa A.D. 44.
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perseusomega9 wrote: Tue Mar 02, 2021 5:13 am
Trees of Life wrote: Tue Mar 02, 2021 5:01 am James was in the desert writing the Protevangelium at the time: 'Now I, James wrote this history in Jerusalem when tumult arose on the death of Herod' — circa A.D. 44.
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Trees of Life wrote: Tue Mar 02, 2021 3:35 am
The Galatians text of 'But other of the apostles saw I none, save James, the Lord's brother' is written in the vernacular — that is the apostle James in appearance and character was 'the brother of the Lord'.

James was thought to be a brother of the Lord, 'according to the flesh'² that is according to the foolish wisdom of the flesh. Jesus Christ, however called him his brother on account of James' venerable character,³ appendant to his material physiology of being a brother ‹in the flesh›³, due to the coequal nurturing of their upbringing³.

James son of Zebedee was called "brother" by Jesus Christ for he held James venerable, approved by the Father.³ Bearing the authoritativeness of Jesus Christ, James is endowed a brother in the vernacular, consonant with gospel recordings of kinship and extended relationships, from which consistency with theology emerges.
According to Mark Chapter 3

The Twelve Apostles
(Cf. Matthew 10:1–4; Luke 6:12–16)

16These are the twelve He appointed: Simon (whom He named Peter), 17James son of Zebedee and his brother John (whom He named Boanerges, meaning “Sons of Thunder”), 18Andrew, Philip, Bartholomew, Matthew, Thomas, James son of Alphaeus, Thaddaeus, Simon the Zealot,b 19and Judas Iscariot, who betrayed Jesus.c

A House Divided
(Cf. Matthew 12:22–30; Luke 11:14–23)

20Then Jesus went home,d and once again a crowd gathered, so that He and His disciples could not even eat. 21 When His family heard about this, they went out to take custody of Him, saying, “He is out of His mind.”

@Trees of Life: In your interpretation, who would have been included in "the family" in the above passage?


Jesus’ Mother and Brothers
(Cf. Matthew 12:46–50; Luke 8:19–21)

31Then Jesus’ mother and brothers came and stood outside. They sent someone in to summon Him, 32and a crowd was sitting around Him. “Look,” He was told, “Your mother and brothers are outside, asking for You.”

33But Jesus replied, “Who are My mother and My brothers?” 34Looking at those seated in a circle around Him, He said, “Here are My mother and My brothers! 35For whoever does the will of God is My brother and sister and mother.”

@Trees of Life: In your interpretation, who would have been included among those spoken of here: "your mother and brothers who are outside"?
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perseusomega9 wrote: Tue Mar 02, 2021 3:44 amwut
perseusomega9 wrote: Tue Mar 02, 2021 5:13 am
Trees of Life wrote: Tue Mar 02, 2021 5:01 am James was in the desert writing the Protevangelium at the time: 'Now I, James wrote this history in Jerusalem when tumult arose on the death of Herod' — circa A.D. 44.
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