davidmartin wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 3:07 am
Off topic - apologies
Just a footnote to saying 37:
His disciples said, "When will you appear to us, and when will we see you?"
Jesus said, "When you strip without being ashamed, and you take your clothes and put them under your feet like little children and trample them, then you will see the son of the living one and you will not be afraid."
I read today somewhere that originally baptism was performed naked in a Jewish context
See
https://www.jerusalemperspective.com/13766/
This saying could well be baptismal in origin
If so that's interesting because Thomas equates salvation with understanding, yet if it also advocates for sacraments which i think can be shown it does then it's not the only criteria which ties in with the gospel Jesus as well
Ah, an essential one missed there as well:
37. say(s) his(PL) Disciple : what? the(PL) day you will reveal outward to we and what? the(PL) day "we-ought-to" behold as-regards you say(s) IS : When you(PL) continue-to make-naked you(r)(PL) of your(PL.) shame and you(PL) carry your(PL.PL) garment or/and you(PL) place they toward the bottom of your(PL.PL) feet in.the.manner of the(PL) little the(PL) child small or/and you(PL) tread within they Then you(PL) will behold to the child of he-who live and you(PL) will make-be fear not
Strip of your shame!!!
Such a very strong and direct pointer, again, to the very essence: don't have shame, don't be like Adam and Eve, that's all a bunch of lies.
Fuck your clothing! Rip it off and trample on it
In a metadata way, or on a spiritual level, this also points to stripping off your I-dentity, becoming aware of yourr dual nature, that you're split
It's got nothing to do with baptism in my view, baptism never existed. Logion 46 points to Zedekiah:
46. say(s) IS : starting-from Adam toward Johannes the Immerser in the(PL) beget of the(PL) woman not-to-be he-who exalted to Johannes the Immerser So-that : Shan't! break viz. his(PL) eye did I tell it However : he-who will come-to-be in you(r)(PL) he make-be of little he will know the(F) reign-of(F) king and he will be-high to Johannes
Immersing:
Jeremiah 38:4 Then the princes said to the king, "Please let this man be put to death; because he weakens the hands of the men of war who remain in this city, and the hands of all the people, in speaking such words to them: for this man doesn't seek the welfare of this people, but harm." 5 Zedekiah the king said, "Behold, he is in your hand; for the king can't do anything to oppose you." 6 Then they took Jeremiah and threw him into the dungeon of Malchijah the king's son, that was in the court of the guard. They let down Jeremiah with cords. In the dungeon there was no water, but mire; and Jeremiah sank in the mire. 7 Now when Ebedmelech the Ethiopian, a eunuch, who was in the king's house, heard that they had put Jeremiah in the dungeon (the king was then sitting in Benjamin's gate), 8 Ebedmelech went out of the king's house, and spoke to the king, saying, 9 "My lord the king, these men have done evil in all that they have done to Jeremiah the prophet, whom they have cast into the dungeon. He is likely to die in the place where he is, because of the famine; for there is no more bread in the city." 10 Then the king commanded Ebedmelech the Ethiopian, saying, "Take from here thirty men with you, and take up Jeremiah the prophet out of the dungeon, before he dies." 11 So Ebedmelech took the men with him, and went into the house of the king under the treasury, and took from there rags and worn-out garments, and let them down by cords into the dungeon to Jeremiah. 12 Ebedmelech the Ethiopian said to Jeremiah, "Now put these rags and worn-out garments under your armpits under the cords." Jeremiah did so. 13 So they lifted Jeremiah up with the cords, and took him up out of the dungeon; and Jeremiah remained in the court of the guard.
Broken eyes:
BOOK OF 2 KINGS Chapter 25 7 They slaughtered the sons of Zedekiah before his eyes, and put out the eyes of Zedekiah and bound him in chains and took him to Babylon.
Being high to Johannes:
Jeremiah 52:31 And in the thirty-seventh year of the exile of Jehoiachin king of Judah, in the twelfth month, on the twenty-fifth day of the month, Evil-merodach king of Babylon, in the year that he became king, graciously freed Jehoiachin king of Judah and brought him out of prison. 32 And he spoke kindly to him, and gave him a seat above the seats of the kings who were with him in Babylon. 33 So Jehoiachin put off his prison garments. And every day of his life he dined regularly at the king's table, 34 and for his allowance, a regular allowance was given him by the king according to his daily need, until the day of his death, as long as he lived.