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Re: Isn't he the "son of Mary", a code-word for Mandeans?
Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2020 5:54 am
by Secret Alias
I was working from the French text Giuseppe provided. Giuseppe was saying something else still from what you provided from Lidzbarski.
Re: Isn't he the "son of Mary", a code-word for Mandeans?
Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2020 6:03 am
by Giuseppe
no, no, Kunigunde is correct. I have quoted Couchoud who quotes Lindbarzki with references. Kunigunde has quoted the references in Lindzbarski.
But Couchoud has made my same suggestion, only using the conditional times (something I am not usual to do in my poor English).
Re: Isn't he the "son of Mary", a code-word for Mandeans?
Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2020 6:06 am
by Kunigunde Kreuzerin
Secret Alias wrote: ↑Fri Sep 25, 2020 5:54 am
I was working from the French text Giuseppe provided. Giuseppe was saying something else still from what you provided from Lidzbarski.
I know. Sorry, I didn't want to imply that you made a mistake. I just wanted to point out what Lidzbarski really said. It seems useless to me to discuss this alleged French quote.
Re: Isn't he the "son of Mary", a code-word for Mandeans?
Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2020 6:14 am
by Giuseppe
why "presumed"? It exists. Are you saying that I am a liar?
Re: Isn't he the "son of Mary", a code-word for Mandeans?
Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2020 7:38 am
by Kunigunde Kreuzerin
Giuseppe wrote: ↑Fri Sep 25, 2020 6:14 am
why "presumed"? It exists. Are you saying that I am a liar?
Oooh, the boys are very sensitive today
No, I do not say that you are a liar, just that Couchoud misquoted Lidzbarski. Probably Couchoud's German was as good as my English
Re: Isn't he the "son of Mary", a code-word for Mandeans?
Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2020 7:48 am
by Giuseppe
Kunigunde Kreuzerin wrote: ↑Fri Sep 25, 2020 7:38 am
Giuseppe wrote: ↑Fri Sep 25, 2020 6:14 am
why "presumed"? It exists. Are you saying that I am a liar?
Oooh, the boys are very sensitive today
No, I do not say that you are a liar, just that Couchoud misquoted Lidzbarski. Probably Couchoud's German was as good as my English
ok, but I don't think that there is an abyss between Couchoud and Lidzbarski. Mary is transformed in a great
tree. The tree is symbol of a community, of a Church, not only in famous parable of the seed in Mark. Note that in the Mandean writings this tree becomes the house of birds, if I remember well. So Couchoud is right to quote Lidzbarski: the Mary/tree is simbolic of the Mandeans
as a sect.
The rest follows. It is a
possibility (that the 'son of Mary' means: heretic mandean) but not one to be rejected easily as Secret Alias does continually.
Re: Isn't he the "son of Mary", a code-word for Mandeans?
Posted: Mon Oct 05, 2020 9:36 pm
by Giuseppe
Miriai personifies the Mandean community.
(R. Sthal,
Mandeans and Christian Origins, p. 23)
The chapter 12 of Revelation shows affinities with the story of the conversion of "Miriai" from Judaism to Mandeism.
Even a blind realizes it:
the white eagle who protects Miriai seems to be the same eagle of Revelation 12 who soccurs the Woman escaped in the wilderness.