Peter in the Clementine Homilies Does Not Accept the Sacredness of the Pentateuch

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Charles Wilson
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Re: Acts was written as history

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ebion wrote: Wed Dec 06, 2023 11:50 am i think Acts was wtitten as History
I agree, although we may disagree as to the nature of that History.
I believe Acts is written around the 12th Legion and Mucianus.

For example:

Acts 9: 33 - 35 (RSV):

[33] There he found a man named Aene'as, who had been bedridden for eight years and was paralyzed.
[34] And Peter said to him, "Aene'as, Jesus Christ heals you; rise and make your bed." And immediately he rose.
[35] And all the residents of Lydda and Sharon saw him, and they turned to the Lord.

The 12th, under Cestius, destroyed Lydda et.al. as the inhabitants went to Jerusalem for the Feast:

Josephus, Wars... 2, 19, 1:

"...but Cestius removed with his whole army, and marched to Antipatris; and when he was informed that there was a great body of Jewish forces gotten together in a certain tower called Aphek, he sent a party before to fight them; but this party dispersed the Jews by affrighting them before it came to a battle: so they came, and finding their camp deserted, they burnt it, as well as the villages that lay about it. But when Cestius had marched from Antipatris to Lydda, he found the city empty of its men, for the whole multitude (28) were gone up to Jerusalem to the feast of tabernacles; yet did he destroy fifty of those that showed themselves, and burnt the city, and so marched forwards; and ascending by Betboron, he pitched his camp at a certain place called Gabao, fifty furlongs distant from Jerusalem..."

"Aeneas" has been bedridden for 8 years. If you count back 8 years from the Destruction of the Temple (The 12th Legion was there in Jerusalem at that time.), you find the 12th under the command of Paetus. Paetus suffers a humiliating loss at the hands of the Parthians. The Romans would not even leave their tents - They are paralyzed indeed. They lost their Eagles and were forced to march under the Parthian Banners.

Tacitus, Annals, Book 15:

"All the more vigorously did Vologeses press the besieged, now attacking the legions' entrenchments, and now again the fortress, which guarded those whose years unfitted them for war. He advanced closer than is the Parthian practice, seeking to lure the enemy to an engagement by such rashness. They, however, could hardly be dragged out of their tents, and would merely defend their lives, some held back by the general's order, others by their own cowardice; they seemed to be awaiting Corbulo..."

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Re: Peter in the Clementine Homilies Does Not Accept the Sacredness of the Pentateuch

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Acts mentioned Lydda (Lod).
Josephus mentioned Lydda.
Not much.
Charles Wilson
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Re: Peter in the Clementine Homilies Does Not Accept the Sacredness of the Pentateuch

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StephenGoranson wrote: Wed Dec 06, 2023 3:25 pm Acts mentioned Lydda (Lod).
Josephus mentioned Lydda.
Not much.
1. Alfred North Whitehead, "Nature Alive":

"For the peculiarity of a reason is that the intellectual development of its consequences suggests consequences beyond the topics already observed. The extension of observation waits upon some dim apprehension of reasonable connection. For example, the observation of insects on flowers dimly suggests some congruity between the natures of insects and of flowers, and thus leads to a wealth of observation from which whole branches of science have developed. But a consistent positivist should be content with the observed facts, namely insects visiting flowers. It is a fact of charming simplicity. There is nothing further to be said upon the matter, according to the doctrine of a positivist..."

2. "3.6... Not great, not terrible..."

--Dyatlov Character, HBO's "Chernobyl"
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Re: Peter in the Clementine Homilies Does Not Accept the Sacredness of the Pentateuch

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Saint Peter of the Clementine homilies does accept the holiness of the cow er scripture, as they realize that the Tretragrammaton mixed deliberately lies and truth in order to test the readers and determine the worthy ones.

The Homilies are from a much later point as they are familiar with Manicheism.
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