A Proposal that the Longer Ending of Mark is Dependent on the Gospel of Luke
Posted: Thu Feb 27, 2020 8:14 pm
Investigating the roots of western civilization (ye olde BC&H forum of IIDB lives on...)
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Does the following appeal to anyone?
There is definitely a relationship here. I am not (yet) sure in which direction the arrow of dependence points, however.Bernard Muller wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 9:07 pm Hi Ben,
Don't you think the author of the long ending (Mk16:9-20) knew also about John's gospel: Mk16:9-11 <=> Jn20:14-18?
Cordially, Bernard
Ben C. Smith wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 8:54 pm What speaks for it (besides my previous observations) or against it?
In conclusion, I agree with Bernard, but for a different reason. It seems to me that the singling out of Mary in PsMark 16:9 may be easier to understand as a Johannine influence than an independent development from the synoptics (or a synoptic gospel or other sources).Bernard Muller wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 9:58 am ...
- Later Mary Magdalene
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My conclusion has always been the author of the long ending knew about Luke & John's gospels. And that's the more natural and simple explanation, as I see it.
I think that the longer ending is clearly more than a "scribal composition". It is in itself an interesting text from the 2nd century. The author seems to have an increased interest in the powerful overcoming of evil (daemons, bombastic signs, snakes, poison).
Bernard Muller wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 9:07 pm Hi Ben,
Don't you think the author of the long ending (Mk16:9-20) knew also about John's gospel: Mk16:9-11 <=> Jn20:14-18?
Cordially, Bernard
John 21 has also been proposed as relating to the long end of G.Mark (eg, Evan Powell, “The Unfinished Gospel”, 1994)Ben C. Smith wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 10:26 pm There is definitely a relationship here. I am not (yet) sure in which direction the arrow of dependence points, however.
Cheers. I agree.Kunigunde Kreuzerin wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 12:26 pmI think that the longer ending is clearly more than a "scribal composition". It is in itself an interesting text from the 2nd century.
The miraculous fishing in John 21 might have been inspired by the one in Luke's gospel. However parts of the long ending is more obviously related to elements of John 20 and Luke 24.John 21 has also been proposed as relating to the long end of G.Mark (eg, Evan Powell, “The Unfinished Gospel”, 1994)
That is my impression as well.Kunigunde Kreuzerin wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 12:26 pmI think that the longer ending is clearly more than a "scribal composition". It is in itself an interesting text from the 2nd century.
My problem with this is that I am quite certain that the Longer Ending was not composed with the rest of Mark in mind; it was never originally intended as the ending to the text (according to various internal considerations). Therefore, the reconciliation is blunt, not fine: it is simply a matter of appending an already composed summary to an already composed gospel.Bernard Muller wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 9:58 am Hi Ben,
The author of the long ending seems to reconcile Mark with John as follows:
- The women are afraid by what they experienced at the empty tomb and do not tell anyone about it (Mk 16:6, last verse before the long ending).
- Later Mary Magdalene (implied: she returned to the empty tomb) is the first to see the resurrected Jesus and then tell the disciples about it (as per long ending & John's gospel).
Elegant problem solving!