what do you mean as "deviant" for a Jew (pseudo-Clement) about another Jew (John)?
I meant the Clementines are not referring to John the Baptist but another John. I didn't mean they are referring to 'John the Baptist' we are familiar with but are referring to some other John who may also have baptised hence the confusion.
I disagree about the view that Revelation is catholic. Surely it in our version is a catholicized text. But in the original version it is a Jewish-Christian text. But if John preached the coming of YHWH (or a figure related to YHWH) on the earth, why was he not used by who wrote Revelation?
The Clemetines are Jewish-Christian and so is Revelation, broadly speaking. They both fantasise about hell strongly, why not?
These people didn't know any 'John the Baptist' only the John they disagreed with. If a traditional 'John the Baptist' existed they never connected him to Jesus in any way to mention him, but since they already had (via Clementines) a John they disagreed with, why should they mention him in Revelation?
excuse me, but I am not able at all to reason according to historicist paradigm. If a real John baptized Jesus, then Jesus existed and the presence itself of Giuseppe on this forum is pure nonsense.
I'm able to reason with the idea 'Jesus' wasn't a man but appeared in one or more people as a hypothetical
If so one of those people ended up being called Jesus, so what? He was baptised, whats the problem?
It's only a question of whether he physically existed or not, or gained physical existence through someone else or not, there's still a dude in the equation somewhere
again: I can't imagine how much possible was that some Jews had "a problem with" a John the Baptist, one who was praised even by Josephus. Again, ancient Jews could hate only who hated YHWH.
Josephus is scarcely reliable, who knows who this John the Baptist guy is
Come on Jews and anyone else always hates their own people more than outsiders, if you want real hate look at family feuds!! They were duking it out with each other not evenly filing into two clean love YHWH and hate YHWH camps that's not messy enough for real life, no way is it that simple or obvious. Some priest slept with some other priests wife and now they hate each other, nothing to do with YHWH