The "Lamb" interpolated where the Son of God appeared in proto-John

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Re: The "Lamb" interpolated where the Son of God appeared in proto-John

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ok, sounds interesting.
i recon John's disciples thought he was a son of God or Christ or something like that, a bit embarassing maybe but nothing really too bad
what would be embarassing is the idea John (or Jesus) was some pro-Roman stooge or leader of some violent rebels or a magician or whatever, probably he was just a peaceful guy trying to get people back to real spirituality and all this crazy stuff happened afterwards. the world is crazy now? No i bet it was even more crazy then with total lunatics running amok all over the place. John comes along saying, everyone calm down.. its just normal, and trivial stuff gets blown into epic proportions that swallow the entire universe until the next sane person comes along. life of brian parodied this really well!
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The author of John most likely a cannibal whom envisioned Jesus as a Lamb, a sacrificial food item, sacred offering to Zeus, since according to Genesis, Mr. God a meat eater, whom rejected the vegetarian offering of Cain.
https://vivliothikiagiasmatos.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/joseph-yahuda-hebrew-is-greek.pdf
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In 2 Chronicles 5:7, King Solomon (Baal Hammon) sacrificed 2000 Oxen to Mr God , that are sacred animals not to be eaten in Hinduism, thus would envision the size of the stomach of God, able to consume such a large amount of Oxen. So the skinny Jesus lamb offering obviously insufficiently filled his stomach, thus rejected the Jesus sacrifice thus resurrected, a rejected sacrifice.
https://vivliothikiagiasmatos.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/joseph-yahuda-hebrew-is-greek.pdf
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אמּר

Giuseppe --

What's that word?

https://studybible.info/strongs/H563 and https://studybible.info/strongs/H564
What's that Word-Play?

It's "Lamb" => "Immar". Oh, wait!!!! It's also "The sixteenth Mishmarot Priestly Group" => "Immer". As in:

1 Chronicles 24: 1 -4, 7, 14 (RSV):

[1] The divisions of the sons of Aaron were these. The sons of Aaron: Nadab, Abi'hu, Elea'zar, and Ith'amar.
[2] But Nadab and Abi'hu died before their father, and had no children, so Elea'zar and Ith'amar became the priests.
[3] With the help of Zadok of the sons of Elea'zar, and Ahim'elech of the sons of Ith'amar, David organized them according to the appointed duties in their service.
[4] Since more chief men were found among the sons of Elea'zar than among the sons of Ith'amar, they organized them under sixteen heads of fathers' houses of the sons of Elea'zar, and eight of the sons of Ith'amar.
...
[7] The first lot fell to Jehoi'arib, the second to Jedai'ah,
...
[14] the fifteenth to Bilgah, the sixteenth to Immer

There it is, Giuseppe, if you would only look. If you want me to create another long Post on why John of Bilgah calls the "Jesus" Character "Immar-Yah", the "Lamb of God", then I'll Cut and Paste from about 50 previous long Posts and assemble the arguments again.

There is no Mystery here.

Revelation 5: 6 - 10 (RSV):

[6] And between the throne and the four living creatures and among the elders, I saw a Lamb standing, as though it had been slain, with seven horns and with seven eyes, which are the seven spirits of God sent out into all the earth;
[7] and he went and took the scroll from the right hand of him who was seated on the throne.
[8] And when he had taken the scroll, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb, each holding a harp, and with golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints;
[9] and they sang a new song, saying, "Worthy art thou to take the scroll and to open its seals,
for thou wast slain and by thy blood didst ransom men for God
from every tribe and tongue and people and nation,
[10] and hast made them a kingdom and priests to our God,
and they shall reign on earth."

"I saw a Lamb standing, as though it had been slain..."

Josephus, Antiquities..., 17, 9, 3:

"Now Archelaus thought there was no way to preserve the entire government but by cutting off those who made this attempt upon it; so he sent out the whole army upon them, and sent the horsemen to prevent those that had their tents without the temple from assisting those that were within the temple, and to kill such as ran away from the footmen when they thought themselves out of danger; which horsemen slew three thousand men, while the rest went to the neighboring mountains. Then did Archelaus order proclamation to be made to them all, that they should retire to their own homes; so they went away, and left the festival, out of fear of somewhat worse which would follow, although they had been so bold by reason of their want of instruction..."

3000+ are murdered and Passover is cancelled. The Nation is Unclean.

Who was on Duty for that Passover and Feast? Bilgah and Immer. You - YOU, Giuseppe - can prove it.

This Story was taken by the Romans, reassembled and rewritten for the Glory of the Flavians. No Metaphysics needed, unless you are making a bare Study on the History of Gnostic Thought. No Metaphysics needed.

CW
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אמריה as a name would be μεῖραξ Διός 'Young man of Zeus' or a young man around 20 or 21 whom was dedicated to Zeus.
https://vivliothikiagiasmatos.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/joseph-yahuda-hebrew-is-greek.pdf
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Thanx, Ethan.

I request an expansion on your point, please.
What do you think that your point implies?

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Phoenicians have a naming convention.

Jediael ידיעאל - ἠίθεος θεόῦ 'God's Votary'
Joel יואל - Διός εἴρην 'Young man of Zeus, given by God as a gift of his parents
Abiel אביאל - ἔφηβος Ἥλίου 'a person, when 16 or 18 was dedicated to Helios
Ammiel עמיאל - εἴρην γαμέτου 'granted by the spouse or Baal'
Eliah אליה - εἴρην Διός
Eliel אליאל - θεόῦ εἴρην
Obadiah עבדיה - ὀπαδός Διός 'attendant of Zeus'
Adonijah אדניה - ἠίθεος Διός 'Votary of Zeus'
Ahimelech אחימלך - ἠίθεος Μολόχ 'young man dedicated to Moloch, or his gift'
Abimelech אבימלך - ἔφηβος Μολόχ 'a follower or gift of Moloch'
Abdiel עבדיאל - ὀπαδός θεόῦ
Delaiah דליה - δοῦλος Διός 'a servant of Zeus'
Elishama אלישמע - θεόῦ ἠίθεος
Zedekiah צדקיה - Ζεύς δίκη 'Zeus is truth
Ishmael ישמעאל - ἠίθεος θεόῦ
Mahalaleel מהללאל - ἄγαλμα θεῷ 'pleasing gift to God
Gabriel גבריאל - κοῦρος θεόῦ 'the bearer was God's gift to his parents, acolyte'
Abital אביטל - ἔφηβος θεόῦ
Methusael - מתושאל 'μάντῖς θεοῦ 'prophet of God
Reuel רעואל - θύραυλος θεόῦ 'friend of God
Amariah אמריה - μεῖραξ Διός 'Young man of Zeus'
Eliphalet אליפלט - εἴρην Πλούτωνος - granted by Pluto, as the wealth bearer
Eliakim אליקים - θεόῦ ἠίθεος
Meribaal מריב - περί Ἥλίου - associate of Helios
Raphael רפאל - θέραψ θεόῦ 'servant of God or healed by'
Raphiah רפיה - θέραψ Διός 'servant of Zeus or healed by'
Michael מיכאל - μάντῖς θεοῦ 'prophet of God
Micaiah מיכיהו - μάντῖς Διός 'prophet of Zeus
Jezebel איזבל - ἠίθεος Ἥλιος
Joshua יהושע - Διός ἠίθεος
Ariel אריאל - εἴρην θεόῦ
Ahaziah אחזיה - ἠίθεος θεόῦ
Elkenah אלקנה - θεογενής, θεός ἐγέννησε 'god beget, engendered (the bearer of the name)
https://vivliothikiagiasmatos.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/joseph-yahuda-hebrew-is-greek.pdf
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