Early Markan Stories: Non-Transvalued

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Early Markan Stories: Non-Transvalued

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Ben C. Smith wrote: Fri Aug 16, 2019 3:02 pmI would say, pick a gospel story you deem to be virtually unassailable in its connection to the Passover massacre and lay out exactly what connects it to that event, detail by detail.
Jax wrote: Fri Aug 16, 2019 2:19 pmYou know, maybe you are painting with to wide a brush. Perhaps narrow the field and pick one aspect of your thesis and really cover it in depth.
OK. Here it is, sprawling across multiple Threads and Multiple Posts.

Mark 1: 7 (RSV):

[7] And he preached, saying, "After me comes he who is mightier than I, the thong of whose sandals I am not worthy to stoop down and untie.

In previous Posts (possibly excluding Acts 13: 25 and John's "Course Work"), I have attempted to show that this is a possible reference and Joke/Pun on the Mishmarot Priesthood. John is of Bilgah, the created "Jesus" character is of Immer.
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[23] And immediately there was in their synagogue a man with an unclean spirit;
[24] and he cried out, "What have you to do with us, Jesus of Nazareth? Have you come to destroy us? I know who you are, the Holy One of God."
[25] But Jesus rebuked him, saying, "Be silent, and come out of him!"
[26] And the unclean spirit, convulsing him and crying with a loud voice, came out of him.

This is from 8/9 CE, looking back to 12 years. The Demon Possessed man knows who this person is and asks, "You think we're the same people who killed thousands of people at Passover 12 years ago? What have you to do with us? Are you gonna destroy US?' The answer is, "Yes, you are the same people even if your identities are different." (BTW, if this Coup had been successful, the Corrupt High Priestly Apparatus would have been destroyed but the more Righteous (Hasmonean) people would have lived)
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[40] And a leper came to him beseeching him, and kneeling said to him, "If you will, you can make me clean."
[41] Moved with pity, he stretched out his hand and touched him, and said to him, "I will; be clean."
[42] And immediately the leprosy left him, and he was made clean.
[43] And he sternly charged him, and sent him away at once,
[44] and said to him, "See that you say nothing to any one; but go, show yourself to the priest, and offer for your cleansing what Moses commanded, for a proof to the people."

The Leprosy Symbol requires some analysis but...later. Note, matter-of-factly, the Cleansing and the follow-up: Go to a Priest and offer for your cleansing what Moses commanded.
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Mark 2:

[6] Now some of the scribes were sitting there, questioning in their hearts,
[7] "Why does this man speak thus? It is blasphemy! Who can forgive sins but God alone?"
[8] And immediately Jesus, perceiving in his spirit that they thus questioned within themselves, said to them, "Why do you question thus in your hearts?
[9] Which is easier, to say to the paralytic, `Your sins are forgiven,' or to say, `Rise, take up your pallet and walk'?
[10] But that you may know that the Son of man has authority on earth to forgive sins" -- he said to the paralytic --
[11] "I say to you, rise, take up your pallet and go home."
[12] And he rose, and immediately took up the pallet and went out before them all; so that they were all amazed and glorified God, saying, "We never saw anything like this!"

This Passage is a Set-Up for what comes later. It is 11/12 years after the 4 BCE Massacre. The SCRIBES are questioning what is happening IN THEIR HEARTS. These are Internal States and, unless explicitly stated by someone, are unknown to those around. The Scribes, however, have indeed been talking amongst themselves. They have been prohibited from writing about what they have seen with their own eyes.

Un-Transvalued: The Paralytic cannot move through the Court of the Herodians out of fear. He is being released from his paralyzed Bondage,as will the "Man with the Withered Hand" and the "Woman Bent Over for 18 years".
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[22] And no one puts new wine into old wineskins; if he does, the wine will burst the skins, and the wine is lost, and so are the skins; but new wine is for fresh skins."

This will indeed be a Revolution. The Corrupt, Old High Priestly people will be gone - Not replaced by a New Religion but by the Structure given by God through David. At the ascension of Archelaus, at the Passover before the thousands were murdered:

Josephus, Wars..., 2, 1, 1:

"They cried out that a punishment ought to be inflicted for these men upon those that were honored by Herod; and that, in the first place, the man whom he had made high priest should be deprived; and that it was fit to choose a person of greater piety and purity than he was..."
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Mark 3:

[1] Again he entered the synagogue, and a man was there who had a withered hand.
[2] And they watched him, to see whether he would heal him on the sabbath, so that they might accuse him.
[3] And he said to the man who had the withered hand, "Come here."
[4] And he said to them, "Is it lawful on the sabbath to do good or to do harm, to save life or to kill?" But they were silent.
[5] And he looked around at them with anger, grieved at their hardness of heart, and said to the man, "Stretch out your hand." He stretched it out, and his hand was restored.
[6] The Pharisees went out, and immediately held counsel with the Hero'di-ans against him, how to destroy him.

Here is a VERY important Passage, pre-figured earlier. The "Man with a Withered Hand" is a Scribe and he cannot write about what he has seen and knows to be True. This is the next step from the "Internal States" of the Scribes, seen above. This is looking back 12 years and the Statement given now MAKES SENSE:

"Is it lawful on the sabbath to do good or to do harm, to save life or to kill?"

12 years ago, thousands were murdered and Passover and the Feast were cancelled. The entire Nation is UNCLEAN and the entire State Apparatus, including the High Priesthood had a hand in it.

"But they were silent". They convict themselves. The Priestly Character now frees the Man With the Withered Hand as he did to the Paralyzed Man seen above and the "Woman Bent Over for 18 Years". They are all released from the Bondage of the Herodians and the Romans.
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[16] Simon whom he surnamed Peter

Careful, careful, careful!
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[25] And if a house is divided against itself, that house will not be able to stand.
[26] And if Satan has risen up against himself and is divided, he cannot stand, but is coming to an end.
[27] But no one can enter a strong man's house and plunder his goods, unless he first binds the strong man; then indeed he may plunder his house.

A complicated bit of Anti-Roman Prose. No one can tie-down Judea - It is favored by God - until the strong man is bound. Rome has done just that.

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[28] "Truly, I say to you, all sins will be forgiven the sons of men, and whatever blasphemies they utter;
[29] but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is guilty of an eternal sin"

We interrupt this exposition to point out that Domitian is in charge at this moment. The Holy Spirit can forgive anything except someone cursing the Lord-God Domitian, dba "Holy Spirit".
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Mark 4:

[1] Again he began to teach beside the sea. And a very large crowd gathered about him, so that he got into a boat and sat in it on the sea; and the whole crowd was beside the sea on the land.

Serious Stuff: For those who are looking for a squabble, you've come to the right place. Somewhere between the Story of Peter and the Priest and the Transvalued savior/god material is "The Boat". For a "Reasonable" reading of this Story given to us, we may simply have to make a decision. Throughout the NT, the "Jesus" character travels from place to place by way of some conveyance. A boat. In John, a Passage finds the necessity of quickly getting to land and *POOF*, the boat is there. What is this amazing boat and why is it there?

I believe the boat is a Symbol for the Fortress Antonia. Antonia is connected to the Temple by a Passageway which appears to figure deeply in the Stories. There is "Crossing Over" and the like and it seems "Reasonable" that the Boat is a Symbol. Antonia fits the Bill quite nicely.
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[35] On that day, when evening had come, he said to them, "Let us go across to the other side."
[36] And leaving the crowd, they took him with them in the boat, just as he was. And other boats were with him.
[37] And a great storm of wind arose, and the waves beat into the boat, so that the boat was already filling.
[38] But he was in the stern, asleep on the cushion; and they woke him and said to him, "Teacher, do you not care if we perish?"
[39] And he awoke and rebuked the wind, and said to the sea, "Peace! Be still!" And the wind ceased, and there was a great calm.
[40] He said to them, "Why are you afraid? Have you no faith?"

This is one of the most important Stories in the NT. This is Story of the Temple Slaughter, told 12 years later, in anticipation of the return to Jerusalem for the Duplicate Passover. "And other boats were with him" is deep, deeper than can be dealt with now.

But he was in the stern, asleep on the cushion; and they woke him and said to him, "Teacher, do you not care if we perish?"


An important verse that is hidden elsewhere (Matthew 7: 25 (RSV): "And they went and woke him, saying, "Save, Lord; we are perishing." ). This is Un-Transvalued in Mark. It is not the way you speak to a savior/god, the Son of God. There is much more here, perhaps even another hidden Story. The Priesthood is involved here and it leads to a deadly result. Jairus dreams of a successful Coup, a Coup that cannot fail and it has all collapsed. Thousands will die.
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Mark 5:

The Lunatic deserves separate enumeration:

A.
[1] They came to the other side of the sea, to the country of the Ger'asenes.

This seems as if it is indeed a "boat ride". Maybe, maybe not. Geography in general is not Mark's strong suit. Besides, large groups of people gathering in one place tend to congregate with people from the same geographic area. I know - I went to two Pop Festivals and always would end up in groups from the same area. :D

B.
[2] And when he had come out of the boat, there met him out of the tombs a man with an unclean spirit,

Work with me here a minute. He gets out of the Boat/Antonia and meets a man with an Unclean Spirit. What's different here? Before, it was, "What have you to do with us? Have you come to destroy us?" NOT THIS TIME!!! What, demons aren't talking to each other these days?

C.
[3] who lived among the tombs; and no one could bind him any more, even with a chain;
[4] for he had often been bound with fetters and chains, but the chains he wrenched apart, and the fetters he broke in pieces; and no one had the strength to subdue him.
[5] Night and day among the tombs and on the mountains he was always crying out, and bruising himself with stones.

More than a decade ago, I Deconstructed this and actually received a compliment. Now, not so much. To compress and paraphrase a bit, this is the History of Judea. "No one could bind him, even with a chain". Judea is strong. No one had the strength - NOT EVEN ROME - to subdue him.

D.
[6] And when he saw Jesus from afar, he ran and worshiped him;

Key!: Not "Jesus". The Priesthood.

E.
[7] and crying out with a loud voice, he said, "What have you to do with me, Jesus, Son of the Most High God? I adjure you by God, do not torment me."
[8] For he had said to him, "Come out of the man, you unclean spirit!"

Ahhh, yes. "Do not torment me!!!" What is different here?

F.
[9] And Jesus asked him, "What is your name?" He replied, "My name is Legion; for we are many."

Here is the Transvaluation writ large. Atwill, examining the Roman Thesis, sees the name "Legion" as representing the Jewish Insurrectionists. The Non-Transvalued View sees "Legion" as meaning what it says. Contradiction? NO!!! The Roman rewrites completely inverted the Story to make it appear as if the Jews were the Evil Ones. This is how strong the Roman rewrites were!

G.
[10] And he begged him eagerly not to send them out of the country.
[11] Now a great herd of swine was feeding there on the hillside;
[12] and they begged him, "Send us to the swine, let us enter them."
[13] So he gave them leave. And the unclean spirits came out, and entered the swine; and the herd, numbering about two thousand, rushed down the steep bank into the sea, and were drowned in the sea.

Much has been written about these verses. Simple: The Herodians, not even considered to beJews, are the swine, and yet they Rule. They are Unclean and at the Coup completion, they will be taken care of by the Crowds surrounding Antonia and the Temple. This, of course, is written from the 9 CE Passover Perspective.

H.

[14] The herdsmen fled, and told it in the city and in the country. And people came to see what it was that had happened.
[15] And they came to Jesus, and saw the demoniac sitting there, clothed and in his right mind, the man who had had the legion; and they were afraid.
[16] And those who had seen it told what had happened to the demoniac and to the swine.
[17] And they began to beg Jesus to depart from their neighborhood.

This is very compressed and could not have happened as if the herdsmen made telephone calls. Many have commented on the fact that Country of the Gerasenes appears to be 35 miles from the sea. They're missing the point. The Herodians and Romans will be driven out of Jerusalem and then Judea. Note ESPECIALLY the comment made about the Lunatic:
"And they came to [Jesus], and saw the demoniac sitting there, clothed and in his right mind

I don't know if clothes make the man but they do make the Priest.

I.
[18] And as he was getting into the boat, the man who had been possessed with demons begged him that he might be with him.
[19] But he refused, and said to him, "Go home to your friends, and tell them how much the Lord has done for you, and how he has had mercy on you."
[20] And he went away and began to proclaim in the Decap'olis how much Jesus had done for him; and all men marveled.

Here is the Promise that the Coup will not end in Total Destruction. The character "Jesus" tells the Lunatic to go to his friends and "...tell them how much the Lord has done for you, and how he has had mercy on you". No, the Revolution will not be a Bloody Destructive Total War. God will displace the Unclean Masters alright. Those who remain - like this Lunatic...Priest - will live and may yet Rule.

Where will they Rule? One place would be The Decapolis, known as a Greek collection of affiliated cities. The Greeks are in a Culture War and after the Coup, they will be Ruled in God's way. Circumcision, no homosexuality, no gymnasium. They will still be Unclean but if Galilee could be subdued, so could these cities.
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Mark 6: 1 (RSV):

[1] He went away from there and came to his own country; and his disciples followed him.

This requires some explication but not here, not now. It's ambiguity leaves speculation a bit muddled. It appears to be Original. His All-Mighty Power gets attenuated by home-town friends? Where is his town? That would be Jabnit or maybe even Meiron. This character will be seen fighting for the Return of Priestly Rule, more specifically, the Return of the Hasmoneans. 'N the people grit their teeth at him? Something doesn't add up here.
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[7] And he called to him the twelve, and began to send them out two by two, and gave them authority over the unclean spirits.
[8] He charged them to take nothing for their journey except a staff; no bread, no bag, no money in their belts;
[9] but to wear sandals and not put on two tunics.

Whenever we find Passages that imply Supernatural Knowledge or "Just-So" language, we must look at what the surroundings are and find another alternative. Here, the action SHOULD be activities around the Temple and Antonia. If True then there is no Miracle here. The members of Immer (and Bilgah) are preparing for the upcoming Coup and must constantly check on the Supporters to make sure they are still in line.

Maybe. There is simply a lot of ambiguity in this Passage. No guarantees that this is the real explanation but it is reasonable.
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[14] King Herod heard of it; for Jesus' name had become known. Some said, "John the baptizer has been raised from the dead; that is why these powers are at work in him."

OOOOOOHHH BABY!!! JOHN. What is the Story of John? Many feel that John is "actually" the Main Character in the NT and that his Role was appropriated and rewritten into the character "Jesus".

Luke 16: 16 - 17 (RSV):

[16] "The law and the prophets were until John; since then the good news of the kingdom of God is preached, and every one enters it violently.
[17] But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass away, than for one dot of the law to become void.

Verse 16 argues for Transvaluation. The Realm of Heaven is a Real, Physical Place and the Goodness of the Realm of Heaven is preached, yet its attainment is achieved violently. Verse 17 is a direct argument against verse 16. Draw your own conclusions.

Matthew 11: 11 - 13 (RSV):

[11] Truly, I say to you, among those born of women there has risen no one greater than John the Baptist; yet he who is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.
[12] From the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven has suffered violence, and men of violence take it by force.
[13] For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John;

If the Realm of Heaven was a real place (It was. See below.) then this is the Announcement of the Death of John. There was a Coup attempt. It failed and many were murdered. John was killed. How do we know? "...he who is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he"

Someone - "The Least " - made it into the Realm of Heaven. John did not.

This Section (verses 14 - 29) has generated a great deal of commentary, deservedly so. Excise this for a moment and look at what is left:

[12] So they went out and preached that men should repent.
[13] And they cast out many demons, and anointed with oil many that were sick and healed them.
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[30] The apostles returned to Jesus, and told him all that they had done and taught.

Seamless.
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[38] And he said to them, "How many loaves have you? Go and see." And when they had found out, they said, "Five, and two fish."
[39] Then he commanded them all to sit down by companies upon the green grass.
[40] So they sat down in groups, by hundreds and by fifties.

The two "Miracle Feedings" have material that has been mixed together. The Roman Thesis with soon-to-be-Emperor Titus and an Original Section. I take it that the Five Loaves of Bread are the Pentateuch and the Two Fish are two students who were immolated for hacking up the golden eagle place by Herod over the Temple. Titus, in preparing for the final assault on the Temple, "commanded" the troops occupying Antonia to sit in ordered groupings. YMMV.
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[45] Immediately he made his disciples get into the boat and go before him to the other side, to Beth-sa'ida, while he dismissed the crowd.

For continuity, this may be "Bezetha", a burg on the northern land from Antonia. YMMV. This sets up:
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I was asked to provide a Specimen to examine that best illustrates the Thesis. Here it is:

[46] And after he had taken leave of them, he went up on the mountain to pray.
[47] And when evening came, the boat was out on the sea, and he was alone on the land.
[48] And he saw that they were making headway painfully, for the wind was against them. And about the fourth watch of the night he came to them, walking on the sea. He meant to pass by them,
[49] but when they saw him walking on the sea they thought it was a ghost, and cried out;
[50] for they all saw him, and were terrified. But immediately he spoke to them and said, "Take heart, it is I; have no fear."
[51] And he got into the boat with them and the wind ceased. And they were utterly astounded,
[52] for they did not understand about the loaves, but their hearts were hardened.

A.
"And after he had taken leave of them, he went up on the mountain to pray
And when evening came, the boat was out on the sea, and he was alone on the land.
".

The Priest is not "On Duty" in the Temple. He is not in Antonia. He is isolated between the two buildings. He may have actually been looking for a place to pray. In that sense, he was "alone". There is a lot of time between sunset and sunrise.

Josephus, Wars..., 17, 9, 3:

But those that were seditious on account of those teachers of the law, irritated the people by the noise and clamors they used to encourage the people in their designs; so they made an assault upon the soldiers, and came up to them, and stoned the greatest part of them, although some of them ran away wounded, and their captain among them; and when they had thus done, they returned to the sacrifices which were already in their hands. Now Archelaus thought there was no way to preserve the entire government but by cutting off those who made this attempt upon it; so he sent out the whole army upon them, and sent the horsemen to prevent those that had their tents without the temple from assisting those that were within the temple, and to kill such as ran away from the footmen when they thought themselves out of danger; which horsemen slew three thousand men, while the rest went to the neighboring mountains. Then did Archelaus order proclamation to be made to them all, that they should retire to their own homes; so they went away, and left the festival, out of fear of somewhat worse which would follow, although they had been so bold by reason of their want of instruction..."

Wars..., 2, 1, 3:

At these clamors Archelaus was provoked, but restrained himself from taking vengeance on the authors, on account of the haste he was in of going to Rome, as fearing lest, upon his making war on the multitude, such an action might detain him at home. Accordingly, he made trial to quiet the innovators by persuasion, rather than by force, and sent his general in a private way to them, and by him exhorted them to be quiet. But the seditious threw stones at him, and drove him away, as he came into the temple, and before he could say any thing to them..."

Luke 19: 39 - 40 (RSV):

[39] And some of the Pharisees in the multitude said to him, "Teacher, rebuke your disciples."
[40] He answered, "I tell you, if these were silent, the very stones would cry out."

B.
[48] And he saw that they were making headway painfully, for the wind was against them. And about the fourth watch of the night he came to them, walking on the sea. He meant to pass by them...

So much in this verse!!! Josephus is giving the external story. The NT gives the internal Story, possibly down to the actions on the floor of the Temple. This is the moment when the Priest finds himself in the Death. 3000 people perished, if Josephus is to be believed. There is no way out. It is paralleled in Vonnegut's Slaughterhouse Five. If you were in Dresden the night it was firebombed, you were dead. In the same manner, The Priest, alone as the soldiers are let loose, is dead. It is over. Isn't it?

Only...Vonnegut lived. How...?!??
The Priest? How could a Priest survive against an Army? How...?!??

Note the "Fourth Watch" term. It is a Roman Term. The Jewish fighters had three watches. This may be referenced indirectly in the Passages that tell
the Story, "Could you not stay awake for one hour?" It might have been "...one hour more?"

Finally, the piece that made it through the rewrites, the Transvaluation: "He meant to pass by them..." Supposedly, Jesus sees the Boat on the middle of the Sea of Galilee in distress. He walks out to the Boat in a massive windstorm and...he MEANT TO PASS THEM BY.

No, this is a Priest who is caught out in the Death. He will be hacked up soon. He will be dead. There is no way out.

The Moffatt Translation brings out an important point:

[49] He meant to pass them but when they saw him walking on the sea, they thought it was a ghost and shrieked aloud.

(I love the Moffatt.) What is this verse telling us? "They thought it was a ghost." There are people who are looking out from wherever they are and they are seeing someone who should already be dead. They "...shrieked aloud". "Wherever they were..." is not on a boat. A ditch surrounds Antonia (which lends credence to the Symbolism of "Antonia" <=> "Boat"). The Priest has made it to Antonia and is desperately trying to find an entrance to Safety.

Matthew 25: 1 - 13 (RSV):

[1] "Then the kingdom of heaven shall be compared to ten maidens who took their lamps and went to meet the bridegroom.
[2] Five of them were foolish, and five were wise.
[3] For when the foolish took their lamps, they took no oil with them;
[4] but the wise took flasks of oil with their lamps.
[5] As the bridegroom was delayed, they all slumbered and slept.
[6] But at midnight there was a cry, `Behold, the bridegroom! Come out to meet him.'
[7] Then all those maidens rose and trimmed their lamps.
[8] And the foolish said to the wise, `Give us some of your oil, for our lamps are going out.'
[9] But the wise replied, `Perhaps there will not be enough for us and for you; go rather to the dealers and buy for yourselves.'
[10] And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came, and those who were ready went in with him to the marriage feast; and the door was shut.
[11] Afterward the other maidens came also, saying, `Lord, lord, open to us.'
[12] But he replied, `Truly, I say to you, I do not know you.'
[13] Watch therefore, for you know neither the day nor the hour.

[10] And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came, and those who were ready went in with him to the marriage feast; and the door was shut.
[11] Afterward the other maidens came also, saying, `Lord, lord, open to us.'


Archelaus makes his move (Note: Or someone did...) to set the soldiers onto the populace. It is that sudden:

Mark 13: 32 - 37 (RSV):

[32] "But of that day or that hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.
[33] Take heed, watch; for you do not know when the time will come.
[34] It is like a man going on a journey, when he leaves home and puts his servants in charge, each with his work, and commands the doorkeeper to be on the watch.
[35] Watch therefore -- for you do not know when the master of the house will come, in the evening, or at midnight, or at cockcrow, or in the morning --
[36] lest he come suddenly and find you asleep.
[37] And what I say to you I say to all: Watch."

These two Passages are from the same Story.

This is not all of the Story:

[50] for they all saw him, and were terrified. But immediately he spoke to them and said, "Take heart, it is I; have no fear."

The Story is continued in Matthew and, if you believe that some of this was a Cut and Paste job, you are in store for some astonishing Non-Transvalued material.

Matthew 14:

[27] But immediately he spoke to them, saying, "Take heart, it is I; have no fear."
[28] And Peter answered him, "Lord, if it is you, bid me come to you on the water."
[29] He said, "Come." So Peter got out of the boat and walked on the water and came to Jesus;
[30] but when he saw the wind, he was afraid, and beginning to sink he cried out, "Lord, save me."
[31] Jesus immediately reached out his hand and caught him, saying to him, "O man of little faith, why did you doubt?"
[32] And when they got into the boat, the wind ceased.
[33] And those in the boat worshiped him, saying, "Truly you are the Son of God."

If this is indeed a Priest trying to get into Antonia to Safety (He will be dead in moments since there is no way out...), how does he "get into the Boat"? It is Peter who saves the Priest. To see this requires seeing that the Realm of Heaven is a Real, Physical Place. How can we know this?

Luke 13: 23 - 20 (RSV):

[23] And some one said to him, "Lord, will those who are saved be few?" And he said to them,
[24] "Strive to enter by the narrow door; for many, I tell you, will seek to enter and will not be able.
[25] When once the householder has risen up and shut the door, you will begin to stand outside and to knock at the door, saying, `Lord, open to us.' He will answer you, `I do not know where you come from.'
[26] Then you will begin to say, `We ate and drank in your presence, and you taught in our streets.'
[27] But he will say, `I tell you, I do not know where you come from; depart from me, all you workers of iniquity!'
[28] There you will weep and gnash your teeth, when you see Abraham and Isaac and Jacob and all the prophets in the kingdom of God and you yourselves thrust out.
[29] And men will come from east and west, and from north and south, and sit at table in the kingdom of God.
[30] And behold, some are last who will be first, and some are first who will be last."

Matthew 18: 1 - 4 (RSV):

[1] At that time the disciples came to Jesus, saying, "Who is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven?"
[2] And calling to him a child, he put him in the midst of them,
[3] and said, "Truly, I say to you, unless you turn and become like children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.
[4] Whoever humbles himself like this child, he is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven.

There is a Narrow Door which leads into the Realm of Heaven. It is so small that you must turn as a child and "<scrunch>" yourself into as small a position as you can just to get in.

Matthew 5: 20 (RSV):

[20] For I tell you, unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.

Matthew 23: 13 (RSV):

[13] "But woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because you shut the kingdom of heaven against men; for you neither enter yourselves, nor allow those who would enter to go in.

The Realm of Heaven was a Real, Physical Place - "QED" - and the Pharisees and others prevented many from escaping the Death:

"Is it lawful on the sabbath to do good or to do harm, to save life or to kill?" But they were silent."

"The least in the Realm of Heaven was greater than John"

Ecclesiastes 9: 4 (RSV):

[4] But he who is joined with all the living has hope, for a living dog is better than a dead lion.

John never made into the Realm of Heaven.
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[51] And he got into the boat with them and the wind ceased. And they were utterly astounded,
[52] for they did not understand about the loaves, but their hearts were hardened.

No, they understood. The people whose "hearts were hardened" were the people who were there watching thousands die. They understood. These people must be written out the New Story. Their hearts must have been hardened.
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[53] And when they had crossed over, they came to land at Gennes'aret, and moored to the shore.
[54] And when they got out of the boat, immediately the people recognized him,
[55] and ran about the whole neighborhood and began to bring sick people on their pallets to any place where they heard he was.
[56] And wherever he came, in villages, cities, or country, they laid the sick in the market places, and besought him that they might touch even the fringe of his garment; and as many as touched it were made well.

This is the aftermath of the Atrocity. The Priest and others come out and are confronted with little more than dead bodies. They help those they can.

Josephus. War..., 2, 2, 5:

"He [Salome's son Antipater] also reproached him [Archelaus] further, that his mourning for his father was only pretended, while he put on a sad countenance in the day time, but drank to great excess in the night; from which behavior, he said, the late disturbance among the multitude came, while they had an indignation thereat. And indeed the purport of his whole discourse was to aggravate Archelaus's crime in slaying such a multitude about the temple, which multitude came to the festival, but were barbarously slain in the midst of their own sacrifices; and he said there was such a vast number of dead bodies heaped together in the temple, as even a foreign war, that should come upon them [suddenly], before it was denounced, could not have heaped together..."

This is a Major Story of the New Testament. It illustrates the advantage of Theft Over Honest Toil. It looks to an event that was Tragic in the First Degree. It shows how even a Story that would make a hardened person grieve for the loss may be rewritten to a different end.

Mark 4: 48 (RSV):

[38] But he was in the stern, asleep on the cushion; and they woke him and said to him, "Teacher, do you not care if we perish?"
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OK, everyone. You asked for it.
Here it is.
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Sorry CW I'm just too dense to get it. You take too many shortcuts with your explanations. You really need to show how you come to the conclusions that you do; not just state them as fact. Throwing a bunch of NT and history quotes at someone just doesn't get it, you need to justify your conclusions.

It's hard work but needs to be done.
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Jax wrote: Wed Aug 21, 2019 12:04 pm Sorry CW I'm just too dense to get it. You take too many shortcuts with your explanations. You really need to show how you come to the conclusions that you do; not just state them as fact. Throwing a bunch of NT and history quotes at someone just doesn't get it, you need to justify your conclusions.

It's hard work but needs to be done.
Thank you, Jax.
I know better than to argue these points. Esse est percipi.
All I can say is that I have done what others have done in the Field. Just now, I have picked a perfectly random Post and just see what was written:
Jax wrote: Mon Oct 02, 2017 1:14 pmMy dissection list is currently as follows...

1: 1 Corinthians.

2: 2 Corinthians 1:1-2:13 and 7:5-16.
3: 2 Corinthians 2:14-6:13 and 7:2-4. With 2 Corinthians 6:14-7:1 as a possible later interpolation.
4: 2 Corinthians 8:1-24.
5: 2 Corinthians 9:1-15.
6: 2 Corinthians 10-13.
Note that this Poster makes assertion after assertion with no direct reference to any Relata to prove his points at all except Appeal to Authority.

OK, OK, OK.

Insert Smiley: :cheers:

Did you read the Background Post for this Thread? The Post before that? Lots and Lotsa' detail so that when I got to the Section to examine, I would not have to duplicate references again (and again). *Sigh*. All I can say is the if you look at the Sections, it should remind you of Modern Programming Technique: Small subroutines that get labeled and referenced around a major Point that leads to a Main Section where the Thesis is stated.

It may be time to move on from here. I've been neglecting my scalpel juggling lessons lately. Adding the bears in a small cage has made it a bit more difficult and I need to devote more time to my circus career.

Practice, practice, practice.

Thanx for tryin', Lane.

CW
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Charles Wilson wrote: Wed Aug 21, 2019 3:22 pm
Jax wrote: Wed Aug 21, 2019 12:04 pm Sorry CW I'm just too dense to get it. You take too many shortcuts with your explanations. You really need to show how you come to the conclusions that you do; not just state them as fact. Throwing a bunch of NT and history quotes at someone just doesn't get it, you need to justify your conclusions.

It's hard work but needs to be done.
Thank you, Jax.
I know better than to argue these points. Esse est percipi.
All I can say is that I have done what others have done in the Field. Just now, I have picked a perfectly random Post and just see what was written:
Jax wrote: Mon Oct 02, 2017 1:14 pmMy dissection list is currently as follows...

1: 1 Corinthians.

2: 2 Corinthians 1:1-2:13 and 7:5-16.
3: 2 Corinthians 2:14-6:13 and 7:2-4. With 2 Corinthians 6:14-7:1 as a possible later interpolation.
4: 2 Corinthians 8:1-24.
5: 2 Corinthians 9:1-15.
6: 2 Corinthians 10-13.
Note that this Poster makes assertion after assertion with no direct reference to any Relata to prove his points at all except Appeal to Authority.

OK, OK, OK.

Insert Smiley: :cheers:

Did you read the Background Post for this Thread? The Post before that? Lots and Lotsa' detail so that when I got to the Section to examine, I would not have to duplicate references again (and again). *Sigh*. All I can say is the if you look at the Sections, it should remind you of Modern Programming Technique: Small subroutines that get labeled and referenced around a major Point that leads to a Main Section where the Thesis is stated.

It may be time to move on from here. I've been neglecting my scalpel juggling lessons lately. Adding the bears in a small cage has made it a bit more difficult and I need to devote more time to my circus career.

Practice, practice, practice.

Thanx for tryin', Lane.

CW
So, you feel that the thesis that I am investigating, that Paul is writing in the 1st century BCE, is based on "Appeal to Authority"?
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Jax wrote: Wed Aug 21, 2019 4:28 pmSo, you feel that the thesis that I am investigating, that Paul is writing in the 1st century BCE, is based on "Appeal to Authority"?
No, Jax. I don't know enough of your Thesis to comment on way or the other.
I often try to write with humor and the Post above was a joke.

FWIW, I believe that "Paul" was created and derived from Mucianus, Procurator of Syria. I believe that the "Vision on the Road to Damascus" is a subtle rewrite of Titus meeting Mucianus. Titus convinces Mucianus to throw in with Daddy Vespasian and their staffs are combined and Mucianus helps convince Vespasian to march on Rome to obtain the Throne and starve it out if need be. Mucianus probably died by 75-ish so the books he wrote (No longer extant) are indeed first century compositions. In that, you are correct.

Relax.

Our honored Poster Ben asked a question: "How many other people believe your Thesis?" The answer is still the same: ZERO.

No matter. I still see it and I see it now more than ever. This last Set of rewrites was valuable to me. I was able to see the Stories with the Roman Thesis material stripped out even more. "Transvaluation" is a very useful tool.

Fourteen years ago I stated, "It's there, it really is there!"
I still believe that.

It may be time to move on.

CW
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