Messianic secret explained

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ghost
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Caesar is named dictator and renounces the title shortly thereafter… Is that right?

Plutarch, Caesar 37:2

http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/R ... .html#37.2
2 So, having been made dictator by the senate, he brought home exiles, restored to civic rights the children of those who had suffered in the time of Sulla, relieved the burdens of the debtor-class by a certain adjustment of interest, took in hand a few other public measures of like character, and within eleven days abdicated the sole power, had himself declared consul with Servilius Isauricus, and entered upon his campaign.
NIV Mark 8:29–30

http://biblehub.com/mark/8.htm#29
29 "But what about you?" he asked. "Who do you say I am?" Peter answered, "You are the Messiah."
30 Jesus warned them not to tell anyone about him.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dictator_perpetuo
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On the messianic secret in Mark's gospel, I have another explanation:
http://historical-jesus.sosblogs.com/Hi ... b1-p31.htm
Cordially, Bernard
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Ghost-

What then is your analysis of Peter? Who was he and when did he live? When did he die?
I am very intrigued with what you posit.

Peter, however, is the lynchpin of the Stories that became the NT. I can place him at Passover in Jerusalem in 4 BCE and 9 CE.
In 4 BCE, he is a child ("He who receives this child receives me", for ex.). He lives in "Upper Galilee" and is of the Service Group "Immer".

This very Noir Story was what was composed and then dismembered and rewritten for the Glory of the Flavians - and some others, including possibly one J Caesar.
The Key person is Peter.

In your research, who was Peter?

Thanx,

CW
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Charles Wilson wrote:Who was he and when did he live?
"Peter" is codeword for "praetor". The praetor in question at the time is Lepidus (Lepidus son). He was born in 89 or 88 BC.
When did he die?
He died in 13 or 12 BC.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcus_Ae ... riumvir%29
He lives in "Upper Galilee" and is of the Service Group "Immer".
"Galilee" here is codeword for "Gaul". He is from Transalpine Gaul.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gallia_Narbonensis
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Ridiculous.
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ghost-

Would you explain your mappings a little more? How Complete is your system? Is Acts your major Anchor to understanding the Caesars in the NT?

Example:
1 Corinthians 1: 14 - 16 (RSV):

[14] I am thankful that I baptized none of you except Crispus and Ga'ius;
[15] lest any one should say that you were baptized in my name.
[16] (I did baptize also the household of Steph'anas. Beyond that, I do not know whether I baptized any one else.)

Now, this matches up beautifully with Tacitus, Histories, Book 4:

"The murder of Calpurnius Galerianus caused the utmost consternation. He was a son of Caius Piso, and had done nothing, but a noble name and his own youthful beauty made him the theme of common talk; and while the country was still unquiet and delighted in novel topics, there were persons who associated him with idle rumours of Imperial honours. By order of Mucianus he was surrounded with a guard of soldiers. Lest his execution in the capital should excite too much notice, they conducted him to the fortieth milestone from Rome on the Appian Road, and there put him to death by opening his veins. Julius Priscus, who had been prefect of the Praetorian Guard under Vitellius, killed himself rather out of shame than by compulsion.

I can get to the House of Stephanas quite easily in Acts 6 - 8. Mucianus is a MOST important individual in Acts. The rest of this may be for another Post if anyone cares. In short, "Caius" => "Gaius" and "Priscus" => "Crispus".

The list in Acts 6 ends with a List of Stalwarts. The last Name on the list is "Nikolas, Hero of Antioch". Who was "Hero of Antioch"? That would one "Octavian", dba "Caesar Augustus". 'N so on...

Is this the type of analysis you are using?

CW
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Charles Wilson wrote:Would you explain your mappings a little more?
I use Carotta's cheatsheet.

http://www.carotta.de/subseite/texte/esumma.html
C) PEOPLE IN THE STORIES OF CAESAR AND OF JESUS ARE STRUCTURALLY THE SAME PEOPLE, EVEN BY NAME AND LOCATION:
Caesar > Jesus
Pompey > John (the Baptist)
Antonius > Simon
Lepidus > Peter
(Decimus) Junius (Brutus) > Judas
(Marcus Junius) Brutus > Barabbas
Octavianus (Augustus) > John (the disciple)
Nicomedes of Bithynia > Nicodemus of Bethania
Cleopatra > (Mary) Magdalene
Julia (widow of Marius) > Mary
The Senate > The Sanhedrin
Gaul > Galilee
Rubicon > Jordan
Corfinium > Cafarnaum
Rome > Jerusalem
etc.
I also use Carotta's German-language PDF.

http://www.carotta.de/subseite/texte/wj ... ar1999.pdf

I also use the rest of Carotta's website.

http://www.carotta.de
Charles Wilson wrote:How Complete is your system?
Carotta's analysis focuses on Mark.
Is Acts your major Anchor to understanding the Caesars in the NT?
Carotta uses Mark as an anchor. But the analysis can start with any NT book, including the Book of Revelation/Apocalypse.
Is this the type of analysis you are using?
Yes. It's similar.
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