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Re: A lost text of Paul preserved by Marcion denies that Jesus really existed
Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2018 1:35 pm
by Giuseppe
But the only way a phantom can "delude" is only if it is the fruit of the own imagination. So that is what is implying Chrysostom.
Re: A lost text of Paul preserved by Marcion denies that Jesus really existed
Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2018 1:38 pm
by Ben C. Smith
Giuseppe wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 1:35 pm
But the only way a phantom can "delude" is only if it is the fruit of the own imagination. So
that is what is implying Chrysostom.
Nonsense.
A phantom can delude you into thinking it is really a human.
Re: A lost text of Paul preserved by Marcion denies that Jesus really existed
Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2018 2:46 pm
by Giuseppe
Ben C. Smith wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 1:38 pm
Giuseppe wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 1:35 pm
But the only way a phantom can "delude" is only if it is the fruit of the own imagination. So
that is what is implying Chrysostom.
Nonsense.
A phantom can delude you into thinking it is really a human.
At any case, my point is that the marcionites believed that:
If he had truly become man, he would have ceased to be god.
And this belief puts a doubt about the
real existence of an entity that could be seen only in a highly visionary status (as only a phantom can be seen).