Page 2 of 2

Re: A lost text of Paul preserved by Marcion denies that Jesus really existed

Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2018 1:35 pm
by Giuseppe
But the only way a phantom can "delude" is only if it is the fruit of the own imagination. So that is what is implying Chrysostom.

Re: A lost text of Paul preserved by Marcion denies that Jesus really existed

Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2018 1:38 pm
by Ben C. Smith
Giuseppe wrote: Tue Nov 13, 2018 1:35 pm But the only way a phantom can "delude" is only if it is the fruit of the own imagination. So that is what is implying Chrysostom.
Nonsense. :facepalm: A phantom can delude you into thinking it is really a human.

Re: A lost text of Paul preserved by Marcion denies that Jesus really existed

Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2018 2:46 pm
by Giuseppe
Ben C. Smith wrote: Tue Nov 13, 2018 1:38 pm
Giuseppe wrote: Tue Nov 13, 2018 1:35 pm But the only way a phantom can "delude" is only if it is the fruit of the own imagination. So that is what is implying Chrysostom.
Nonsense. :facepalm: A phantom can delude you into thinking it is really a human.
At any case, my point is that the marcionites believed that:

If he had truly become man, he would have ceased to be god.
And this belief puts a doubt about the real existence of an entity that could be seen only in a highly visionary status (as only a phantom can be seen).