Exercise of Coercive Authority in the Early Church

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iskander
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Re: Exercise of Coercive Authority in the Early Church

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garbhd1988 wrote: Wed Oct 24, 2018 5:43 am Hi everyone,

I am researching the exercise of punitive or coercive authority in the early church - from biblical times onwards - as part of my research in contemporary Roman Catholic penal law.

I wonder if anybody could point me in the right direction of references to the exercise of such punishment. The scriptural origins are fairly complete, but the body of literature from the early church is quite scattered. I'm essentially looking for references to excommunication, censure or even other punishments sanctioned by legitimate church authority.

This is not for any kind of polemical work, but is rather historically looking at how the Church came to see its authority in enforcing the laws which has enacted for its own members.

Many thanks.
Paul is , perhaps, the first documented case of excommunication latae sententiae ,( 1 Cor 5: 1-8) Et dicuntur homines tradi Satanae, cum a tota ecclesia separantur.
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Paul of Samosata, bishop of Antioch c 260 to 268 is interesting. After a synod deposed him for heresy, the roman authorities awarded control of the assets of the church of Antioch to a candidate acceptable to the wider church.

It would seem the first example where disciplinary measures by the church were supported by the roman state.

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Origen, Roman Senate.
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Eusebius also cites Apollonius c 180 CE
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Secret Alias wrote: Sat Oct 27, 2018 5:52 am Origen, Roman Senate.
Jerome may mean "senior roman clergy" by "senate"
He may simply be anachronistic.
https://earlychurchtexts.com/public/jer ... origen.htm

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But why manipulate the text here. Origen clearly was being hunted by the Alexandrian church of Demetrius. Jerome may have been exaggerating. But I think the statement stands and has to be evaluated at face value as it is.
“Finally, from so little sleeping and so much reading, his brain dried up and he went completely out of his mind.”
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