Was Jesus STONED and after crucified?

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Re: Was Jesus STONED and after crucified?

Post by Giuseppe » Mon Oct 15, 2018 10:56 am

Secret Alias wrote:
Mon Oct 15, 2018 10:45 am
As a rule please refrain from saying that someone 'proved' something in the humanities.
you are accusing me of dogmatism when you are the dogmatic, here.

Is really necessary your refrain? Is the only "fake news" in all this forum only what comes from myself?
Nihil enim in speciem fallacius est quam prava religio. -Liv. xxxix. 16.

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Re: Was Jesus STONED and after crucified?

Post by Secret Alias » Mon Oct 15, 2018 10:58 am

I am accusing you of constant exaggeration and hyperbole.
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Re: Was Jesus STONED and after crucified?

Post by Secret Alias » Mon Oct 15, 2018 11:00 am

All you need to do is add 'no money down, 3 years no interest' to your repertoire and you'd be a furniture salesman.
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Re: Was Jesus STONED and after crucified?

Post by Giuseppe » Mon Oct 15, 2018 11:02 am

If I was more expert in the English language, surely I would be more careful to seem less assertive and more possibilist. But I think that this premise (of mere possibilism) is implicit when I start threads full of speculations like this.

So, case closed.
Nihil enim in speciem fallacius est quam prava religio. -Liv. xxxix. 16.

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Re: Was Jesus STONED and after crucified?

Post by Secret Alias » Mon Oct 15, 2018 11:05 am

No. I disagree. In Italian, French or any other language there is a palpable distinction between 'proof' and 'opinion.' There is nothing lost in translation. You are a furniture salesman pretending to be an internet scholar.
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Re: Was Jesus STONED and after crucified?

Post by Giuseppe » Mon Oct 15, 2018 11:08 am

So what can change for you if I (disturb me to) rewrite again my first post of this thread by inserting again and again any verb in the conditional form?

I am sure that you would attack me even in that case.
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Re: Was Jesus STONED and after crucified?

Post by Secret Alias » Mon Oct 15, 2018 11:11 am

Just stop SELLING and spend more time THINKING, evaluating, considering both sides or all sides of a given issue!
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Re: Was Jesus STONED and after crucified?

Post by Secret Alias » Mon Oct 15, 2018 11:14 am

Stop latching on to ANY ARGUMENT or ANY TEXT - like the mostly worthless Toledoth Yeshu - and concentrate instead on strong arguments from strong texts and other pieces of evidence.
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Re: Was Jesus STONED and after crucified?

Post by Giuseppe » Mon Oct 15, 2018 11:19 am

Secret Alias wrote:
Mon Oct 15, 2018 11:11 am
Just stop SELLING and spend more time THINKING, evaluating, considering both sides or all sides of a given issue!
but aren't you seeing that in the my first post I am arguing along the lines of a presumed conspiracy by Judaizers to eclipse rumors about the real identity of a cursed man hung on the tree?

In terms of methodology (the assumption a priori of a conspiracy in action) my argument would make (relatively) a lot of sense.

For example, "throwing money to the potter" was an expression of contempt against the potter. Wasn't it?

Who is the potter?
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Re: Was Jesus STONED and after crucified?

Post by Secret Alias » Mon Oct 15, 2018 11:22 am

but aren't you seeing that in the my first post I am arguing along the lines of a presumed conspiracy by Judaizers to eclipse rumors about the real identity of a cursed man hung on the tree?
Again, you can say whatever you want at the forum, just stop exaggerating the worth of these arguments. They aren't proofs or certainties. They're just arguments. Bye.
“Finally, from so little sleeping and so much reading, his brain dried up and he went completely out of his mind.”
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