1 Peter 1:20
Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2018 12:05 am
Richard Carrier insists that Rev 13:8 (and GPhilip 9) is not evidence of a Jesus crucified before the creation of the world.
He says:
But about the killed Lamb, I read:
(1 Peter 1:17-20)
What was "revealed in these last times"? The death and resurrection that happened before the creation of the world.
It seems very hard to think otherwise. In liturgical rituals, usually a lamb is 'chosen' only immediately before his death. It would make no sense to chose a lamb two days ago to kill him the day after tomorrow. The choice of the lamb coincides with the time of the his being killed.
So, I think that 1 Peter 1:20 would support more the interpretation of Rev 13:8 along the lines of a crucifixion before the creation of the world. But an evidence of the contrary would be Rev 17:8.
He says:
(my bold)Additionally, Jesus’s death canceled the rule of Satan (and thus death itself) over the sublunar world. It makes no sense that Jesus would have achieved that thousands of years ago, but never made use of that since.
But about the killed Lamb, I read:
17 Since you call on a Father who judges each person’s work impartially, live out your time as foreigners here in reverent fear. 18 For you know that it was not with perishable things such as silver or gold that you were redeemed from the empty way of life handed down to you from your ancestors, 19 but with the precious blood of Christ, a lamb without blemish or defect. 20 He was chosen before the creation of the world, but was revealed in these last times for your sake.
(1 Peter 1:17-20)
What was "revealed in these last times"? The death and resurrection that happened before the creation of the world.
It seems very hard to think otherwise. In liturgical rituals, usually a lamb is 'chosen' only immediately before his death. It would make no sense to chose a lamb two days ago to kill him the day after tomorrow. The choice of the lamb coincides with the time of the his being killed.
So, I think that 1 Peter 1:20 would support more the interpretation of Rev 13:8 along the lines of a crucifixion before the creation of the world. But an evidence of the contrary would be Rev 17:8.