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Here’s how Monsignor Ronald Knox handled Mark 1:40–41 in his 1945 translation: “Then a leper came up to him, asking for his aid; he knelt at his feet and said, If it be thy will, thou hast power to make me clean. Jesus was moved with pity; he held out his hand and touched him, and said, It is my will; be thou made clean.” Hart’s version: “And a leper comes to him, imploring him and falling to his knees, saying to him, ‘If you wish it, you are able to cleanse me.’ And, moved inwardly with compassion, he stretched out his hand and touched him, and says to him, ‘I wish it, be clean.’ ” There’s a stumbling, almost rustically blundering urgency to this, the verb tenses tripping over one another; beside it the Knox translation feels smoothed out, falsely archaized, too rhetorical. In Hart we can hear more clearly both the leper’s challenge—heal me!—and the quickness and intimacy of Jesus’s response.

Love Hart or hate him, you have to admit he's brilliant and arrogantly opinionated. Personally, I love him. I checked this translation on Amazon for a preview of Mark and, from what I saw, he does a great job of capturing mark's rustic kick-you-in-the-gut style. For instance, after Jesus heals the leper in the above story, Hart translates vs. 43 as, "He (Jesus) immediately thrust (ezebalen) him out." It's much more powerful than the NIV's "Jesus sent him away", and it adds a sense of mystery to the story that the NIV loses.

I'll be getting a copy. Many thanks for the heads up.

Got a copy. I really like it!

How does he translate John 8:44?

lsayre wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 4:25 am How does he translate John 8:44?

"You come from a father who is the Slanderer; and you wish to do your father's wishes. That one was a killer of men from the beginning, and did not stand upon the truth, because truth is not in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from what is proper to him, because he is a liar and the liar's father."

Jax wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 3:00 pm "You come from a father who is the Slanderer; and you wish to do your father's wishes. That one was a killer of men from the beginning, and did not stand upon the truth, because truth is not in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from what is proper to him, because he is a liar and the liar's father."

Thanks! Sounds a bit gnostic. And seeing how I like the way both April DeConik and Richard Lattimore translate this verse, I believe it to be rather accurate. I may just need to nab a copy of Hart's NT translation.

From memory here, both DeConik and Lattimore state the last part of it as: "Because he is a liar and so is his father."

Where English uses possessive adjectives ( my, your, her, etc.) Greek employs the definite article unless there is a doubt about the identity of the possessor.

Xen. Anab. 1.8.3
http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/tex ... ection%3D3
[3] Κῦρός τε καταπηδήσας ἀπὸ τοῦ ἅρματος τὸν θώρακα ἐνεδύετο ...
After limping down from his chariot, Cyrus put on his breastplate

lsayre wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 4:24 pm

Jax wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 3:00 pm "You come from a father who is the Slanderer; and you wish to do your father's wishes. That one was a killer of men from the beginning, and did not stand upon the truth, because truth is not in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from what is proper to him, because he is a liar and the liar's father."

Thanks! Sounds a bit gnostic. And seeing how I like the way both April DeConik and Richard Lattimore translate this verse, I believe it to be rather accurate. I may just need to nab a copy of Hart's NT translation.

From memory here, both DeConik and Lattimore state the last part of it as: "Because he is a liar and so is his father."

What subject is under discussion in John 8:32-49?

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iskander wrote: ↑Sun Nov 04, 2018 3:46 am

lsayre wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 4:24 pm

Jax wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 3:00 pm "You come from a father who is the Slanderer; and you wish to do your father's wishes. That one was a killer of men from the beginning, and did not stand upon the truth, because truth is not in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from what is proper to him, because he is a liar and the liar's father."

Thanks! Sounds a bit gnostic. And seeing how I like the way both April DeConik and Richard Lattimore translate this verse, I believe it to be rather accurate. I may just need to nab a copy of Hart's NT translation.

From memory here, both DeConik and Lattimore state the last part of it as: "Because he is a liar and so is his father."

What subject is under discussion in John 8:32-49?

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lsayre wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 4:24 pmFrom memory here, both DeConik and Lattimore state the last part of it as: "Because he is a liar and so is his father."

Richmond Lattimore. The New Testament.
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John 8:45 "and so is his father." Or " and the father of it/ that is, the lie, or falsehood."
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Richmond Lattimore , New Testament
Mark 1:28-45
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