Why Pilate? Could 'Pilate' Have Been a Kind of Fish Spear?

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Why Pilate? Could 'Pilate' Have Been a Kind of Fish Spear?

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pltˀ n.m. a type of fish spear


1 a type of fish spear Man.


Page refs. in other dictionaries: Drower/Macuch: 361a;

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Secret Alias wrote: Thu May 24, 2018 3:42 pm pltˀ n.m. a type of fish spear
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I think you beat me with pilates.
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This forum is so absurd. My son has been watching me giggle to myself over this thread for the last 15 minutes like I am a homeless person at a Starbucks. It's always a danger we are so predictable that we become parodies of ourselves.
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Here's an interesting line of inquiry for Giuseppe. In Basque Pilate is Pilatu which in Romanian, Corsican, , Croatian and Armenian translates to 'Stack up' Stack upp in Icelandic, Stak op in Danish and Bosnian similarly 'stak' Esperanto 'Staku.' In Spanish and Catalan it means Apilar or 'pile up.' In English Pilatu is translated to accumulate. In Cebuano it translates as Magtindog which in English means 'stand.' So there seems to be a widespread association - across cultures - with the meaning 'stacking' or 'standing' leading me to the conclusion that Pilate means 'standing one' and therefore he was Simon Magus.
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Legionaries of the Late Republic and Early Empire often carried two pila, with one sometimes being lighter than the other. Standard tactics called for a Roman soldier to throw his pilum (both if there was time) at the enemy just before charging to engage with his 'gladius'.

The effect of the pila throw was to disrupt the enemy formation by attrition and by causing gaps to appear in its protective shield wall.

Artifacts suggest that the pilum was constructed to use the weight of the weapon to cause damage, most likely to be able to impale through armour and reach the enemy soldier's body. Most other lances of the time were unable to penetrate a shield. By contrast, since the pyramidal tip of a pilum was wider than the rest of the shank, once it penetrated a shield, it left behind a hole larger than the rest of the shank, and it could move through the shield with little resistance, stabbing the soldier behind.
  • In the late Roman Empire, the Roman infantry came to use a differently-shaped lance from the earlier pilum. This lance/spear, called a plumbata, was lighter and had a greater range.
lonchi/lonche - λόγχη • (lónchi) f (plural λόγχες). spear, lance

Lonche (λόγχη) is the word used for the lance in John 19:34 with which one of the soldiers pierced Jesus' side [and out gushed blood and water].

John 19 (NIV) -

28 Later, knowing that everything had now been finished, and so that Scripture would be fulfilled, Jesus said, “I am thirsty.” 29 A jar of wine vinegar was there, so they soaked a sponge in it, put the sponge on a stalk of the hyssop plant, and lifted it to Jesus’ lips. 30 When he had received the drink, Jesus said, “It is finished.” With that, he bowed his head and gave up his spirit.

31 Now it was the day of Preparation, and the next day was to be a special Sabbath. Because the Jewish leaders did not want the bodies left on the crosses during the Sabbath, they asked Pilate to have the legs broken and the bodies taken down. 32 The soldiers therefore came and broke the legs of the first man who had been crucified with Jesus, and then those of the other.

33 But when they came to Jesus and found that he was already dead, they did not break his legs. 34 Instead, one of the soldiers pierced Jesus’ side with a spear, bringing a sudden flow of blood and water. 35 The man who saw it has given testimony, and his testimony is true. He knows that he tells the truth, and he testifies so that you also may believe. 36 These things happened so that the scripture would be fulfilled: “Not one of his bones will be broken,” [Exodus 12:46; Num. 9:12; Psalm 34:20] 37 and, as another scripture says, “They will look on the one they have pierced.” [Zech. 12:10]

The unnamed Roman soldier who pierced Jesus in his side with a lance/pila was named Longinus - probably Latinized from the Greek lonche (λόγχη) - in the Gospel of Nicodemus that was appended to the apocryphal 'Acts of Pilate'. The 'Letter of Herod to Pilate' claims that Longinus suffered for having pierced Jesus, and that he was condemned to a cave where every night a lion came and mauled him until dawn, after which his body healed back to normal, in a pattern that would repeat till the end of time. Later traditions turned him into a Christian convert ...

Some churches today have reified the legends eg. -

The Holy Martyr Longinus the Centurion, a Roman soldier, served in Judea under the command of the Governor, Pontius Pilate. When our Savior Jesus Christ was crucified, it was the detachment of soldiers under the command of Longinus which stood watch on Golgotha, at the very foot of the holy Cross. Longinus and his soldiers were eyewitnesses of the final moments of the earthly life of the Lord, and of the great and awesome portents that appeared at His death. These events shook the centurion’s soul. Longinus believed in Christ and confessed before everyone, “Truly this was the Son of God” (Mt. 27:54).

According to Church Tradition, Longinus was the soldier who pierced the side of the Crucified Savior with a spear, and received healing from an eye affliction when blood and water poured forth from the wound.

After the Crucifixion and Burial of the Savior, Longinus stood watch with his company at the Sepulchre of the Lord. These soldiers were present at the All-Radiant Resurrection of Christ. The Jews bribed them to lie and say that His disciples had stolen away the Body of Christ, but Longinus and two of his comrades refused to be seduced by the Jewish gold. They also refused to remain silent about the miracle of the Resurrection.

Having come to believe in the Savior, the soldiers received Baptism from the apostles and decided to leave military service. Saint Longinus left Judea to preach about Jesus Christ the Son of God in his native land (Cappadocia), and his two comrades followed him.

https://oca.org/saints/lives/2012/10/16 ... f-the-lord
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I think the evidence drawn from Esperanto is decisive here.
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Secret Alias wrote: Thu May 24, 2018 6:58 pm I think the evidence drawn from Esperanto is decisive here.
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