Did Acts 18:2 Use Suetonius

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Re: Did Acts 18:2 Use Suetonius

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It is surprising the contrast between the impulsor (Chrestus) and the expulsor (Claudius). Not even Spartacus was able of so much (assuming that this Chrestus was a man of lower status just as Spartacus).

So I think that it is an interpolation.
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I often think 'Rome' in those ancient texts, especially Christian ones, does not mean the city
I think you want to think that so that you can interpret the text in different ways. I think the author is creating a false history but a literal false history. No allegory here unless the allegory was present in the source material.
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It is surprising the contrast between the impulsor (Chrestus) and the expulsor (Claudius). Not even Spartacus was able of so much (assuming that this Chrestus was a man of lower status just as Spartacus).

So I think that it is an interpolation.
But I don't think you're trying to explain how Acts was written as a false history. I think it's a patchwork of sources behind Acts.
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Secret Alias wrote: Tue Apr 24, 2018 8:02 pm Here https://books.google.com/books?id=zO4-M ... 22&f=false Adamczewski argues that
Since Luke chronologically correlated the trial before Gallio with the expulsion of the Jews from Rome (Acts 18:2.11-12), the description of the outcome of the trial, namely that of driving of the Jews away from the Roman realm and of public beating of their leader (aTieAauva): Acts 18:16-17), probably alludes to Josephus' reference to the expulsion of the Jews from Rome (omipxeoOai, eAauvco: Jos. Ant. 18.84).

Just before that passage, at the start of the same paragraph, is reference to Paul being accused over issues of Jewish law; and after that paragraph is reference to Acts 18:1-17 being a reworking of 1 Cor and 2 Cor with the use of several other literary motifs.

Also, just after the passage you cited is reference to Paul presumable being harassed by Jewish Christians. I always assume Jewish Christians or Christians were not a thing in the times these texts were set, and maybe hardly even a thing when they were written.
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That's kind of the way Adamczewski deconstructs Acts.
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Secret Alias wrote: Tue Apr 24, 2018 8:14 pm
I often think 'Rome' in those ancient texts, especially Christian ones, does not mean the city
I think you want to think that so that you can interpret1 the text in different ways. I think the author is creating a false history, but a literal false history2. No allegory here unless the allegory was present in the source material3.

1 Firstly, so I can consider the texts in a different way (but, yes, with a bias that they are likely to have been written different to what is commonly said)

2 I agree.

3 I think allegory is more likely in these texts, but it is possible some or a lot was in the source material (though unlikely).
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Not in Acts. The author is constructing this is a one dimensional history developed if Adamczewski is to be believed from older historical texts. No allegories in any of this unless found in the source material.
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Secret Alias wrote: Tue Apr 24, 2018 8:21 pm Not in Acts. The author is constructing this is a one dimensional history developed if Adamczewski is to be believed from older historical texts. No allegories in any of this unless found in the source material.
I can accept that.
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I also refined the meaning behind the name 'Chrestus' , Mithradites was named Chrestus in recognition of his aids to Sailors and traders and this name appears in Hebrew, Yaqar (h3368) & Qar(7119), used to described the wares(the goods) of the Merchants, see Ezekiel 27:22,. χρηστῶν (LXX), this word means' one who gives/serviceable' (Merchant). Another translation of 'Chrestus ' is tachbulah (Good-counsel/speculator) (תַּחְבֻּלוֹת) (h8458) and the Septuagint sometimes translates this into ' κυβερνῆταί ' (Cybernaut) ( sailor , seaman or merchant). The Jews in the Roman Empire were primarily Merchants.
the word “chrestai” in Greek that, according to one etymology, means “goodness;” and, as well, “traders” and “speculators - William A. Jurgens-
It is still in use today in urban Rome, ' la cresta' ' means ‘profiteer’, ‘to demand an extortionate price’

Tac. Ann. 15. 44: This name derives from a speculator, who was executed by the procurator Pontius Pilatus under the government of Tiberius
https://vivliothikiagiasmatos.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/joseph-yahuda-hebrew-is-greek.pdf
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