Joshua 5:13-15 and Mark 16:8: midrash?

Discussion about the New Testament, apocrypha, gnostics, church fathers, Christian origins, historical Jesus or otherwise, etc.
User avatar
Giuseppe
Posts: 13872
Joined: Mon Apr 27, 2015 5:37 am
Location: Italy

Re: Joshua 5:13-15 and Mark 16:8: midrash?

Post by Giuseppe »

Secret Alias wrote: Fri Apr 13, 2018 10:35 am
1) Do you accept as historical reality the fact that the Terapeutae adored Moses as Divine Crosser?
I haven't seen any evidence. Be my guess.
Apparently you are correct but secunda facie no. We can be sure that really the Therapeutae allegorized the Exodus, they had to allegorize it, in order to justify their physical presence in Egypt and at the same time to consider the Egypt as the place of slavery of the true israelites.

Therefore both Philo and Therapeutae read the story allegorically as a journey from the land of the body to the realms of the mind. Such a symbolic reading permitted them to accept the meaning of the Exodus and to stay, literally and figuratively, in Egypt.

So the answer to the question 1 above is by need a sound "yes". Moses was a Divine Crosser for the Therapeutae. Period.
Nihil enim in speciem fallacius est quam prava religio. -Liv. xxxix. 16.
Secret Alias
Posts: 18726
Joined: Sun Apr 19, 2015 8:47 am

Re: Joshua 5:13-15 and Mark 16:8: midrash?

Post by Secret Alias »

Apparently you are correct but secunda facie no
WTF does this mean? Either there is evidence or there isn't evidence.
“Finally, from so little sleeping and so much reading, his brain dried up and he went completely out of his mind.”
― Miguel de Cervantes Saavedra, Don Quixote
User avatar
Giuseppe
Posts: 13872
Joined: Mon Apr 27, 2015 5:37 am
Location: Italy

Re: Joshua 5:13-15 and Mark 16:8: midrash?

Post by Giuseppe »

The evidence of the fact that the Terapeutae reenacted in their cult the Exodus myth (hence adoring Moses as Divine Crosser):
85) Then, when each chorus of the men and each chorus of the women has feasted separately by itself, like persons in the bacchanalian revels, drinking the pure wine of the love of God, they join together, and the two become one chorus, an imitation of that one which, in old time, was established by the Red Sea, on account of the wondrous works which were displayed there; (86) for, by the commandment of God, the sea became to one party the cause of safety, and to the other that of utter destruction
http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/yonge/book34.html

And still:
I will oppose to them the entertainments of those persons who have devoted their whole life and themselves to the knowledge and contemplation of the affairs of nature in accordance with the most sacred admonitions and precepts of the prophet Moses
Nihil enim in speciem fallacius est quam prava religio. -Liv. xxxix. 16.
Secret Alias
Posts: 18726
Joined: Sun Apr 19, 2015 8:47 am

Re: Joshua 5:13-15 and Mark 16:8: midrash?

Post by Secret Alias »

But your not reading what's there. It's just Moses being referenced. Nothing about a divine crossed whatever you want that to mean
“Finally, from so little sleeping and so much reading, his brain dried up and he went completely out of his mind.”
― Miguel de Cervantes Saavedra, Don Quixote
User avatar
Giuseppe
Posts: 13872
Joined: Mon Apr 27, 2015 5:37 am
Location: Italy

Re: Joshua 5:13-15 and Mark 16:8: midrash?

Post by Giuseppe »

But then where does Detering take the idea that the Terapeutae allegorized the Exodus (and so they adored Moses as a Divine Crosser)?

I am very confused!
Nihil enim in speciem fallacius est quam prava religio. -Liv. xxxix. 16.
Post Reply