SKULL as vault of the heavens as place of the crucifixion

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SKULL as vault of the heavens as place of the crucifixion

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He suggests that kippah derives from a word in early rabbinic Hebrew (from the time of the compilation of the Mishnah, the first century in AD-dating). That Hebrew word meant ‘dome’ or ‘vault’, either of a building or of the heavens
https://www.spectator.co.uk/2017/03/the ... -a-kippah/
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Regarding those that believe the Bible teaches a “sphere," N. F. Gier, in his book “God, Reason, and the Evangelicals” says: In the Anchor Bible translation of Psalm 77:18, Mitchell Dahood has found yet another reference to the dome of heaven, which has been obscured by previous translators. The RSV translates galgal as "whirlwind," but Dahood argues that galgal is closely related to the Hebrew gullath (bowl) and gulgolet (skull), which definitely gives the idea of "something domed or vaulted."
http://www.philipstallings.com/2015/06/ ... h.html?m=1
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Galgal, the celestial vault, the sky:
“The voice of thy thunder [was] in the heaven: the lightning lightened the world: the earth trembled and shook

(Psalms 77:18).
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Gday Guiseppe :)

Have you looked into the Skull of Macroprosopus from the Qabbalah ?

Marilynn Hughes in The Voice of the Prophets: Abridged Lesser Known Texts connected it with Jesus Christ in a note :

"In the cranium” (or skull), BGVLGLThA. Begolgoltha, or in Golgoltha. In the New Testament it is worthy of note that Jesus Christ (the Son) is said to be crucified at Golgotha (the skull): while here, in the Qabalah, Microprosopus (the Son), as the Tetragrammaton, is said to be extended in the form of a cross, thus - in Golgotha (the skull). The text above says, at the end of section 33, "of Macroprosopus"; but I think this is a misprint for "of Microprosopus."

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it doesn't really mean heaven but circle. the planets travel in circles. gilgul can mean reincarnation (cycle of souls). it can't be used to support a heavenly crucifixion
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Secret Alias wrote: Sat Feb 10, 2018 10:38 pm it doesn't really mean heaven but circle. the planets travel in circles. gilgul can mean reincarnation (cycle of souls). it can't be used to support a heavenly crucifixion
I wonder if it is the same circle of the orbit of a particular "planet": the moon. In such case this can be used to support a heavenly crucifixion.

At any case the "galgal" is the "dome" of heavens.

Can it mean skull too?
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Isa 40:22 "[It is] he that sitteth [which can also mean rests] upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof [are] as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in." This verse has occasioned considerable debate, as fundamentalist apologists have seized upon it as a foothold for their attempts to read modern cosmology anachronistically back into the text. “According to [Henry] Morris this verse describes a spherical earth. The Hebrew word is hwg. I believe that this refers to the circular horizon that vaults itself over the earth to form a dome.” (Stephen Meyers, "A Biblical Cosmology." Th.M. Thesis, Westminster Theological Seminary. 1989, pp. 63-69) Similar opportunistic use is made of Job 22:14, “Thick clouds [are] a covering to him, that he seeth not; and he walketh in the circuit ( hwg ) of heaven.” But it is vain. H wg is “a primitive root to describe a circle:--compass,” as per Strong’s Concordance. Notice that hwgis most definitely not a sphere. There are perfectly adequate Hebrew words for sphere or spheroid if that is what one wanted to mention. First, there is the word meaning “ball,”rwd duwr . Second, the word for “pot,” dwd , duwd , a pot for boiling,or, by resemblance of shape, a basket. Third, the word meaning “round,” tlglg gulgoleth, a skull (as round) or a head. Fourth, there is the Babylonia loan word llg galal, the verb “to roll,” based on the description of a type of water pot shaped like a human skull.
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Hebrews 9: 16 :
For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.

Where there was the testament?
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Golgotha, which is derived from the Hebrew galgal, meaning a ''circle/dome/vault of heavens''. It is from the same Hebrew root as Galilee, meaning ''circle of the nations''.

A possible allegorical meaning is that Jesus died in the sublunary realm (lower heavens + earth).

What if ''Golgotha'' replaced a previous term: Galilee himself? Jesus would be crucified in Galilee in a previous Gospel.

Traces of this previous Gospel crucifixion in Galilee is the fact that the risen Jesus is already in Galilee.

But which would be the theological point behind a crucifixion in Galilee?

The Galilee is the middle territory walked by Jesus along his voyage from the heaven to Jerusalem:

1) the heaven is the upper heavens,
2) the Galilee is the lower heavens,
3) Jerusalem is the earth.
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