xplosion wrote:
Justin Martyr, born in Judea, considered himself a gentile pagan convert.
Roger Pearse wrote:
Out of interest, where does Justin tell us this? I find online that he was born in Flavia Neapolis, in what was then Palestine, but no ancient source.
DCHindley wrote:
1st Apology Chapter 1: "I, Justin, the son of Priscus and grandson of Bacchius, natives of Flavia Neapolis in Palestine"
In Photius, Bibliotheca, cod. 234, Methodius is said to have stated, in his Discourse on the Resurrection: "VI. Now Justin of Neapolis, a man not far removed either from the times or from the virtues of the apostles ..."
Ancient sources?
Justin Martyr 1st Apology from Codex Parisinus Graecus 450, date of authorship: 14th century.
Photius: 9th century text written by the patriarch of Constantinople
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bibliotheca_%28Photius%29
According to Wikipedia, Methodius' Discourse on the Resurrection exists in the original Greek, but, the reference provided refers to Migne's Patrologia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrologia_Graeca
What was Migne's source?
If we possess a credible Greek source, then, why bother to quote Photius: “said to have stated” ?
I find curious, that a thread devoted to criticism (unjust in my opinion) of Murdoch's scholarly attributes, should broadcast uncritical acceptance of “facts”, based on rumors, gossip, and unsubstantiated hearsay. Isn't that precisely the criticism of Acharya S? Where's the evidence of an original Christian sect based on astrotheological ideas, a forum member inquired? Where's the evidence for any original Christian sects, I reply.
I have read, in the past week or so, among several critics of Acharya S, comments by Neil Godfrey, complaining about his reception when he sought to post at her web site.
viewtopic.php?f=8&t=404
Notice what kirby did to my posts, critical of godfrey. He sent the exchange to Siberia. The scholarship of Acharya S may, or may not, be the cat's meow, I have no clue. I haven't read her books. I haven't participated at her forum. I do agree, 100%, with Robert Tulip's idea, that a productive forum is one which exhibits civility, and honesty, and I further deny that, on this forum, analysis of Murdoch's “contributions” to the literature regarding a mythical stature for Jesus, has risen to the level of maturity comparable to that one might expect of high school graduates.
DCHindley wrote:
I mention all this, although D Murdoch is not about Aliens, because of the persistence of true believers to defend their key figures.
I am ashamed to read this from you, David. You wrote it to smear her. And, not with olive oil.
I am neither a “true believer”, nor a member of her group. I am not defending her. I have no idea where Justin Martyr was born.
I am offering criticism of those idiots, including kirby, spin, and the other cultists on this forum, who have shamefully ignored the essential obligation to engage in SCHOLARSHIP, to refute theories contrary to one's own opinion. Name calling, and other childish expressions, like banning from the forum, simply confirm the poverty of ability on the part of this forum's leadership.
“rubbish”, doesn't cut it, spin. Repulsive is my assessment of kirby's comment quoting Mencken, implying some imaginary level of supposedly superior intelligence, by those opposing her thesis of a role played in early christianity by those astrologers and star gazers who had worked for centuries cataloging movements of objects in the night time sky.
neilgodfrey finally wrote something I can agree with:
I think we need to be clear what constitutes cultish behaviour
How else to explain kirby's use of acronyms unknown to anyone else, but fellow cult members. How else to explain kirby's ridiculous dismissal of Leucius Charinus, for his having committed the crime of criticizing the mediocre “scholarship” of kirby? How else to explain the gender hostility exhibited by huller, and his reference to “queen” and “cunnilingus”? Maybe huller can't differentiate “N” from “L”.
CULT.