Jesus Existed: Argument From Pattern of Cults

[MrMacSon]

But "Son of God" is a title attached only to human beings in ancient Jewish culture, and Jesus most certainly was reputed to be human per all of the early Christian texts.

That's merely proposition and assertion. & a non-sequitur.

You may as well have said "There were humans, therefore Jesus was."

[ApostateAbe]

But "Son of God" is a title attached only to human beings in ancient Jewish culture, and Jesus most certainly was reputed to be human per all of the early Christian texts.

That's merely proposition and assertion. & a non-sequitur.

You may as well have said "There were humans, therefore Jesus was."

Hmmmm, no, it just seems to be a fact obvious on the face. I am not saying here that Jesus was human. I am saying Jesus was reputed to be human.

[ApostateAbe]

Jesus wasn’t reputed to be human. He was reputed to be the Son of God.

“But … but … but …”

But "Son of God" is a title attached only to human beings in ancient Jewish culture, and Jesus most certainly was reputed to be human per all of the early Christian texts.

Ps.82:6, "I said, You are gods, and all of you sons of the Most High." Hmm, maybe wrong Jewish culture...

That's a good counterpoint. It means that the designation of "son of God" applies to humans almost all the time in Jewish culture. Thanks for that.

[spin]

But "Son of God" is a title attached only to human beings in ancient Jewish culture, and Jesus most certainly was reputed to be human per all of the early Christian texts.

Ps.82:6, "I said, You are gods, and all of you sons of the Most High." Hmm, maybe wrong Jewish culture...

That's a good counterpoint. It means that the designation of "son of God" applies to humans almost all the time in Jewish culture. Thanks for that.

No. Sorry. It means that you are talking vague bullshit based on nothing but your own opinion. What for example do you know about Metatron? You don't seem to have any temporal focus or content. You appear to be merely peddling comforting assertions.

[Kunigunde Kreuzerin]

Cult with no human founder:

cargo cult of John Frum http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Frum

my fellow countryman Christian Rosenkreuz should be added to the list

[PhilosopherJay]

Hi Kunigunde,

Thanks for this information. I haven't thought or heard of the Rosicrucians for a long time. They use to advertise in many of the comic books I read as a kid .

The Poet Leonard Cohen refers to them in his great and chilling suicide ballad "Dress Rehearsal Rag" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNTFqSaFwyo

You can still find a job,
go out and talk to a friend.
On the back of every magazine
there are those coupons you can send.
Why don't you join the Rosicrucians,
they can give you back your hope,
you can find your love with diagrams
in a plain brown envelope.
But you've used up all your coupons
except the one that seems
to be written on your wrist
along with several thousand dreams.

Warmly,

Jay Raskin

Cult with no human founder:

cargo cult of John Frum http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Frum

my fellow countryman Christian Rosenkreuz should be added to the list

[MrMacSon]

I am saying Jesus was reputed to be human.

Yes; that is a proposition. It also implies he was not a god.

[Diogenes the Cynic]

You don't have to look any further than the Old testament for counter-examples - Moses, Abraham etc.

Lao Tse is another good one.

[JoeWallack]

Jesus most certainly was reputed to be human per all of the early Christian texts.

JW:
Oh Jesus, how long have you been arguing HJ? Ever heard of Marcion.

You like making comparisons of historical evidence for Jesus to that of other ancients. Please do a search for major institutions close to Caesar, Alexander, Appolonius etc. that thought that they were really spirits who only appeared human while on earth.


Joseph

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[Peter Kirby]

Abraham and Moses / Judaism
Numa Pompilius / Roman religion under the republic
Attis / Cult of Cybele

I'm getting bored, and I'm refusing to play categorization games in which such examples are dismissed as irrelevant, so that's all for now.