But Now That Faith Has Come

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yalla
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Re: But Now That Faith Has Come

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Well, just to give one example, from 1 Cor above:
" I have become all things to all people".
Pretty blatant actually.
iskander
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yalla wrote: Tue Aug 15, 2017 1:45 pm Well, just to give one example, from 1 Cor above:
" I have become all things to all people".
Pretty blatant actually.
There is no contradiction in that. Paul is promoting the ' shield of Abram' which is also the shield of a multitude as numerous as the stars in the Universe . Paul must seek to bring such a diversity of people under the protection of God, the shield of Abram.


God above all and Paul the least of all
yalla
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Whatever you say Iskander.

But Joe is right too.

See what I just did?
That is what Paul is bragging about doing.
Saying different things to different people which necessarily involves contradiction [and dishonesty].
iskander
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yalla wrote: Tue Aug 15, 2017 2:04 pm Whatever you say Iskander.

But Joe is right too.

See what I just did?
That is what Paul is bragging about doing.
Saying different things to different people which necessarily involves contradiction [and dishonesty].
He is saying to the weak that God is his shield and ...
Paul offers the resurrection of the dead and life in the Garden of Eden . This he says to everyone. He also says that everyone of this enormous multitude is a winner because Jesus had already opened the door of heaven wide open for all. How people are is not important to Paul. It should not be important at all.

John 14 2In my Father’s house there are many dwelling-places. If it were not so, would I have told you that I go to prepare a place for you?*

He is not saying different things to people, he saying that there are many different paths to the same destination: the house of the father of Jesus who is the shield of us all, the shield of Abram.
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davidbrainerd
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becoming all things to all men is a claim of the author of Corinthians, not Galatians. Corinth man gives two different views of eating meat offered to idols (its ok cuz idol aint real vs dont eat that because idols are demons)....but Galatia man has one position: try to keep the law of moses and you lose your salvation. time to stop pretending there is only one pauly paul.
yalla
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"He is not saying different things to people"
That is exactly what he is doing.
He tells us that in his own words.

"20 To the Jews I became like a Jew, to win the Jews.
To those under the law I became like one under the law (though I myself am not under the law), so as to win those under the law.
21 To those not having the law I became like one not having the law ..."

Pretty hard to be be more clear than that.
Blatantly contradictory and dishonest.
iskander
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yalla wrote: Tue Aug 15, 2017 2:47 pm "He is not saying different things to people"
That is exactly what he is doing.
He tells us that in his own words.

"20 To the Jews I became like a Jew, to win the Jews.
To those under the law I became like one under the law (though I myself am not under the law), so as to win those under the law.
21 To those not having the law I became like one not having the law ..."

Pretty hard to be be more clear than that.
Blatantly contradictory and dishonest.
Yes he said not to worry about the differences , that is fortunately very clear.
Jesus has already opened the door for everybody, Everything has already been won.

Paula Vera Lynn sings :
Bless em all, bless em all, the long and the short and the tall...


Bless 'em all - VERA LYNN - For all World War II Sweethearts
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xf4jhb9p2v8
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