The Gospel of Paul

[iskander]

Jesus was a man for Paul . Do you agree?

[JCarp]

Jesus was a man for Paul . Do you agree?

Paul says Jesus was "born of a woman, born under the law" (Gal. 4:4). That's pretty clear.

[iskander]

Jesus was a man for Paul . Do you agree?

Paul says Jesus was "born of a woman, born under the law" (Gal. 4:4). That's pretty clear.

Jesus is only a man and nothing more than a man for Paul. Jesus is not God incarnate for Paul , but only the man who is the King Mossiach : the pre-existent messiah who had been promised to the Israelites. Do you agree?

[JCarp]

Hey Iskander,

Do you agree?

Based on Paul's letters I cannot draw that conclusion.

[iskander]

Hey Iskander,

Do you agree?

Based on Paul's letters I cannot draw that conclusion.

Thank you

Romans 9: 4-5

Romans 9:4
They are descendants of Israel, chosen to be God's sons; theirs is the glory of the divine presence, theirs the covenants, the law, the temple worship, and the promises.

Romans 9:5
The patriarchs are theirs, and from them by natural descent came the Messiah. May God, supreme above all , be blessed for ever! Amen.
The Oxford Study Bible

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[Blood]

Paul's gospel doesn't tell us when, where, or why "the Lord Jesus" was crucified. So that's a bit of a shortcoming.

That is true; there is very little location data in Paul's letters. Then again, the Pauline letters do not contain a huge amount of information about Jesus, they are more focused on the Christ.

Of course, that does not mean that Paul does "not know anything at all" about Jesus, as is usually stated. It's possible to glean quite a few tidbits about the itinerant Galilean preacher, who would later become the Christ, from the Pauline texts.

Jesus was a Hebrew man, a descendant of Abraham, born under the law -- in other words a Jew -- in the flesh, from David's lineage. He was born of a Hebrew woman, circumcised and raised a Jew, the oldest of his siblings. Jesus had a ministry, and during his ministry, he had twelve disciples. He preached the message of reconciliation; He came into the world to save sinners. Jesus said, "Those who proclaim the gospel should get their living by the gospel." Jesus said, “A woman should not separate from her husband.” Jesus said, "Be chaste; take a wife for yourself in holiness and honor, not in the passion of lust like heathen who do not know God; no man shall transgress, and wrong his brother in this matter, because the Lord is an avenger in all these things." Jesus instituted the ritual of sharing wine and bread, this is the sacrament of the Eucharist; the Eucharist is the breaking of bread as the body of the Christ, and drinking of wine as the blood of the Christ. The same evening that He instituted the sacrament, he was betrayed and delivered. Due to pressure from the Jews, He was sentenced to be executed; the execution method was crucifixion. Jesus suffered, was crucified, died on the Cross, and was buried. He was the Passover Lamb, the Son of God, sacrificed for us. His sacrifice on the Cross is atonement for our sins, in accordance with Scriptures; by His sacrifice He redeemed us from the curse of the law. He was raised from the dead on the third day, and after His resurrection, He appeared to a multitude of His followers; first to Peter Cephas, then to the twelve apostles, then to five hundred people overall, and lastly he appeared to Paul. After the Christ appeared to people, He ascended to the heavens and will in time return in glory, with a cry of command, to "judge the living and the dead".

That's pretty much the Gospel of Paul, paraphrased. Most Christians would probably rattle off a pretty similar biography if asked to summarize Jesus in "300 words or less".

I don't think Paul ever says "Jesus was sentenced to be executed," instead he says, "on the night he was delivered up." Pretty vague. Delivered up by whom? And why? There is so much vagueness in Paul. I just want to know one question if I'm a convert to Paul's gospel: why was Jesus crucified? Forget about the when. Why is this never explained?

[davidbrainerd]

Jesus was a man for Paul . Do you agree?

Paul says Jesus was "born of a woman, born under the law" (Gal. 4:4). That's pretty clear.

It says "made" not born. Makes it a little less clear.

[Ben C. Smith]

Jesus was a man for Paul . Do you agree?

Paul says Jesus was "born of a woman, born under the law" (Gal. 4:4). That's pretty clear.

It says "made" not born. Makes it a little less clear.

Josephus uses the same verb several times when describing people being born ("made") from a woman (Antiquities 1.12.2 §214 and 16.11.5 §382, for example).

[outhouse]

Hey David,

Paul was a Jew alright. .

Regards,

Actually his Judaism is still debated today. His theology mirrors a typical Hellenist Proselyte who found value in Judaism yet refused all the laws.

In this time period Hellenist and gentiles called each other Jews simply for swearing off pagan deities. At no other time in history did the word Judaism become so perverted. The temple brought in gentiles from all over the roman Empire who found value in monotheism to the one god of Judaism. After the war most did not want to be identified as Jews and ALL of these proselytes were absorbed by Christianity.

[outhouse]

Jesus was a man for Paul . Do you agree?

A man who sacrificed himself and was so divine he is now in heaven with god