Proofs That Jesus Existed

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Apostate Abe's Short Argument

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  1. I believe jesus existed.
  2. Therefore, Jesus existed.
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Re: Apostate Abe's Short Argument

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spin wrote:
  1. I believe jesus existed.
  2. Therefore, Jesus existed.
They really need to make a thread of proofs Jesus did not exist. Some great ones exist already for it:

I believe Jesus did not exist.
Therefore, Jesus did not exist.

Or how about:

There were other mythical beings.
Jesus is a mythical being.
Therefore Jesus did not exit.

Maybe even:

This passage is evidence of Jesus' existence.
I don't like this passage.
Therefore Jesus did not exist.
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Re: Proofs That Jesus Existed

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ARGUMENT FROM TITLE OF ARGUMENT
(1) Previously AA (ApostateAbe) has concluded on the subject that it is more likely than not that Jesus existed/Jesus existed is the best explanation
(2) AA has taken his exact same arguments from before but now the title of the arguments is "Good Proofs That Jesus Existed"
(3) Therefore, Jesus existed
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Re: Proofs That Jesus Existed

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ARGUMENT FROM IGNORANCE/DENIAL OF DICTIONARY DEFINITION AND LACK OF DEGREE
(1) AA now claims he has "proofs" that Jesus existed
(2) The dictionary definition of "proof" is http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/proof = something which shows that something else is true or correct
(3) AA previously and currently only claims that Jesus existed is more likely than Jesus did not exist
(4) AA can igore/deny dictionary definitions because he is still in college
(5) Therefore, Jesus existed
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Re: Proofs That Jesus Existed

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1. If Jesus doesn't exist then I don't exist.
2. I exist.
3. Therefore, Jesus exists.
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Re: Proofs That Jesus Existed

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Argument From Steven DiMattei

(1) The Gospels are a radical departure from "history" writing
(2) The Jesus in the minds of every Christian is a theological symbol, invention!
(3) The Jesus of Christian faith never existed historically
(4) 1-3 are actually meaningless to the argument of historicity, because ancient people exaggerated a lot
(5) Therefore, Jesus existed
“The only sensible response to fragmented, slowly but randomly accruing evidence is radical open-mindedness. A single, simple explanation for a historical event is generally a failure of imagination, not a triumph of induction.” William H.C. Propp
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Arnoldo's Revised Shortened Apostate Abe's Short Argument

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  1. I believe.
  2. Therefore, Jesus existed.
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Re: Proofs That Jesus Existed

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Argument from Robert H. Stein
(1) Mark 16:6 "Ἰησοῦν ζητεῖτε τὸν Ναζαρηνὸν τὸν ἐσταυρωμένον· ἠγέρθη"
(2) translation according to Robert H. Stein: “He, the one having been crucified, i.e., the historical Jesus of Nazareth, has risen.”
(3) Therefore, Jesus existed.
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Re: Proofs That Jesus Existed

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Argument from "the-experts-have-proofs"

1. "[T]he idea that Jesus of Nazareth was a mythical figure" time and again gets "killed off with solid reasoning and evidence".
2. The scholars have "heard it all before. It didn’t convince then, and it doesn’t now."
3. Therefore Jesus existed!

http://larryhurtado.wordpress.com/2014/ ... storicity/
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Re: Proofs That Jesus Existed

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ARGUMENT FROM SIX DEGREES OF SEPARATIONISTS
(1) "Mythicists" includes people who think that Mythical Jesus is proven.
(2) There is no quality evidence for Mythical Jesus.
(3) People who think it is more likely than not that Jesus was mythical are close to the belief of people who think that Mythical Jesus is proven.
(4) People who are not sure whether it is more likely than not that Jesus was mythical are close to the belief of people who think it more likely than not that Jesus was mythical.
(5) People who think it is more likely than not that Jesus was historical but are skeptical of most of the supposed evidence for historical Jesus are close to the belief of people who are not sure whether it is more likely than not that Jesus was mythical
(6) People who think it is more likely than not that Jesus was historical but are skeptical of some of the supposed evidence for historical Jesus such as The Criterion of Embarrassment and Multiple Attestation, because they have limited weight with anonymous authors, are close to the belief of People who think it is more likely than not that Jesus was historical but are skeptical of most of the supposed evidence for historical Jesus
(7) All categories of doubters of historical Jesus are close to another category of doubters of historical Jesus and one of these categories is people who think Mythical Jesus is proven, which has no quality evidence to support it.
(8) Therefore, Jesus existed
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