Did Epiphanius Identify James as the Naked from Hegesippus?

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Did Epiphanius Identify James as the Naked from Hegesippus?

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https://books.google.com/books?id=brxgN ... es&f=false

Notice that he is drawing information from Hegesippus in the previous line:

No iron implement had touched his head, he had never visited a bath house, had never eaten meat.41 He did not own a change of clothing and wore only a threadbare linen garment, as it says in the Gospel, "The young man fled, and left the cloth where with he was clad."

The original reference in Hegesippus as cited by Eusebius:
James, the brother of the Lord, succeeded to the government of the Church in conjunction with the apostles. He has been called the Just by all from the time of our Saviour to the present day; for there were many that bore the name of James. He was holy from his mother's womb; and he drank no wine nor strong drink, nor did he eat flesh. No razor came upon his head; he did not anoint himself with oil, and he did not use the bath. He alone was permitted to enter into the holy place; for he wore not woolen but linen garments. And he was in the habit of entering alone into the temple, and was frequently found upon his knees begging forgiveness for the people, so that his knees became hard like those of a camel, in consequence of his constantly bending them in his worship of God, and asking forgiveness for the people.
Yes there is a reference to the ending of the Gospel according to the Hebrews but surely there is more than just this:
Also the gospel called according to the Hebrews, recently translated by me into Greek and Latin, which Origen often uses, says, after the resurrection of the Savior: "Now the Lord, when he had given the linen cloth to the servant of the priest, went to James and appeared to him (for James had sworn that he would not eat bread from that hour in which he had drunk the Lord's cup until he should see him risen from among them that sleep)." And a little further on the Lord says, "Bring a table and bread." And immediately it is added, "He took bread and blessed and broke and gave it to James the Just and said to him, "My brother, eat your bread, for the Son of man is risen from among them that sleep.'"[cf. Luke 24:50-53 Gospel according to the Hebrews (in Jerome, On Illustrious Men, 2)]
I infer from this that THE linen cloth is the linen cloth worn by the naked youth in the gospel and that Hegesippus is using the Gospel According to the Hebrews.
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Hegesippus identification of James as wearing not woolen but linen' garments explains why the mysterious youth is wearing only a linen cloth.
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He alone was permitted to enter into the holy place; for he wore not woolen but linen garments
He alone was permitted to listen - as mere brother in Christ - the first meeting between Peter and Paul.
Nihil enim in speciem fallacius est quam prava religio. -Liv. xxxix. 16.
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I don't think Epiphanius is identifying James with the young man in Mark 14:51-52.
(Epiphanius believes James died at 96 which would make him too old to be a young man when Jesus was arrested.)
I think Epiphanius just means that James was generally dressed as scantily as the young man in Mark.

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When did Epiphanius think James died? When does Hegesippus say that James died?
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From Eusebius:
And so he suffered martyrdom; and they buried him on the spot, and the pillar erected to his memory still remains, close by the temple. This man was a true witness to both Jews and Greeks that Jesus is the Christ. And shortly after Vespasian besieged Judaea, taking them captive.
It has been argued that Epiphanius confounds him with John here - https://books.google.com/books?id=ZkiJy ... &q&f=false Also this seems to be his own calculation which means that Hegesippus did not provide an age for James. It is possible that he got the information about the Mark 14:52 from Hegesippus and just ignores the testimony or doesn't factor in the contradiction when he calculates his age.
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Indeed he also says that James died at the age of ninety-six, twenty-four years after "the Savior's Ascension." This dating cannot be reconciled with the specific evidence provided by Josephus or Hegesippus.

https://books.google.com/books?id=0_wkO ... st&f=false
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Secret Alias wrote:From Eusebius:
And so he suffered martyrdom; and they buried him on the spot, and the pillar erected to his memory still remains, close by the temple. This man was a true witness to both Jews and Greeks that Jesus is the Christ. And shortly after Vespasian besieged Judaea, taking them captive.
It has been argued that Epiphanius confounds him with John here - https://books.google.com/books?id=ZkiJy ... &q&f=false Also this seems to be his own calculation which means that Hegesippus did not provide an age for James. It is possible that he got the information about the Mark 14:52 from Hegesippus and just ignores the testimony or doesn't factor in the contradiction when he calculates his age.
Leaving aside the precise age of James at death, Epiphanius certainly believed that James was the son of Joseph by a marriage earlier than his marriage to Mary. I.E. James was a number of years older than Jesus which makes it unlikely that he would be called a young man.

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But did Hegesippus share this understanding and if Hegesippus contradicted that assumption would that have stopped Epiphanius from putting forward that understanding?
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But as we have seen Hegesippus used the gospel according to the Hebrews. Epiphanius is directing his readers to the passage in their gospel. It might not have specifically identified him as a 'youth.'
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