Re: Blasphemy & the passion narrative before Mark.
Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2018 6:44 am
What do you mean? At first glance it seems that nothing in Mark 13:3-4 is related to Mark 14:57-58.Ben C. Smith wrote: ↑Fri Mar 09, 2018 6:18 amAgreed. But Jesus' statement, the nearest one to the (falsely) incriminating statement at his trial, comes only in verses 3-4, during the private session.Kunigunde Kreuzerin wrote: ↑Fri Mar 09, 2018 5:38 amMmh. It seems to me that the "natural" understanding of Mark 13:1 would be that the admiring statement of the disciple was spoken aloud, so that other people could hear the conversation. (“Look, Teacher, what wonderful stones and what wonderful buildings!”) The verses Mark 13:1-2 are not part of the Olivet discourse and the "private conversation" started with Mark 13:3 on the Mount of Olives.Ben C. Smith wrote: ↑Thu Mar 08, 2018 3:58 pm But the temple accusation itself is interesting in its own right. What do you think is going on in Mark specifically with reference to it? Why does the only possible saying to which it could be related, whether falsely or truly, come in a private conversation with Jesus' disciples? If we are supposed to understand the witnesses as simply making something up from scratch, why make it something close to what we find elsewhere in the gospel, but, as you say, no cigar? On the other hand, if they are meant to be passing on a saying that they misunderstood, why is there no mechanism in the gospel of Mark (as there is in the gospel of John) whereby they could have heard the saying?
14:57 And some stood up and bore false witness against him, saying, 58 “We heard him say, ‘I will destroy this temple that is made with hands, and in three days I will build another, not made with hands.’” | 13:1 And as he came out of the temple, one of his disciples said to him, “Look, Teacher, what wonderful stones and what wonderful buildings!” 2 And Jesus said to him, “Do you see these great buildings? There will not be left here one stone upon another that will not be thrown down.” | 13:3 And as he sat on the Mount of Olives opposite the temple, Peter and James and John and Andrew asked him privately, 4 “Tell us, when will these things be, and what will be the sign when all these things are about to be accomplished?” |