What is the Gospel episode, for each of the Canonicals plus *Ev, where with great certainty the father of Jesus is YHWH?

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What is the Gospel episode, for each of the Canonicals plus *Ev, where with great certainty the father of Jesus is YHWH?

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In *Ev, the titulus crucis.

In Mark, the voice from heaven at the baptism and the Parable of the Vineyard.

In Matthew, the birth story.

In Luke, the birth story.

In John, none.
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Biblical scholars assessing the purpose of the LXX manuscripts attribute them to Jews as long as the manuscript contains the Tetragrammaton YHWH and it is in the form of a scroll. Christians did not call God YHWH, and different interpretations of the words Kyrios (Lord) and Ypistos Theos (God the Most High) caused problems in discussions about the divine nature. Some Christians could see Jesus as someone who would replace YHWH. Both could be considered sons of the Most High God
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Re: What is the Gospel episode, for each of the Canonicals plus *Ev, where with great certainty the father of Jesus is Y

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Giuseppe wrote: Fri May 03, 2024 4:55 am

In Mark, the voice from heaven at the baptism and the Parable of the Vineyard.
+ Mark 1:1
+ Mark 3:11
+ Mark 5:7
+ Mark 9:7
+ Mark 14:61-62
+ Mark 15:39
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Mark 1:1
Correct.

Mark 3:11
Correct.


Mark 5:7
“What do you want with me, Jesus, Son of the Most High God?

correct that YHWH is meant. But what is put on the mouth of a demon hardly can be true.

Mark 9:7
“This is my Son, whom I love. Listen to him!”

unexpected by YHWH, to place his son against his legislator (Moses) and his prophet (Elijah).

Mark 14:61-62
Correct.

Mark 15:39
“Surely this man was the Son of God!”

the hypothesis has been advanced, that "son of god" here has to be meant in a Pagan sense. Achilles was also a "son of god".
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This version of the pre-Christian Jesus may have seemed to some the least promising, but I regard it as the most promising, especially in view of the work of Geo Widengren and Margaret Barker, neither of whom was or is associated with the Christ Myth theory. Their work cannot be dismissed as axe-grinding on behalf of a pet hypothesis. Yahweh was one of the sons of El Elyon; and Jesus in the Gospels was described as a Son of El Elyon, God Most High. In other words, he was described as a heavenly being. Thus the annunciation narrative has the term ‘Son of the Most High’ (Luke 1, 32)[86] and the demoniac recognized his exorcist as ‘Son of the Most High God’ (Mark 5, 7).[87] Jesus is not called the son of Yahweh nor the son of the Lord, but he is called Lord. We also know that whoever wrote the New Testament translated the name Yahweh by Kyrios, Lord … This suggests that the Gospel writers, in using the terms ‘Lord’ and ‘Son {416} of God Most High’, saw Jesus as an angel figure, and gave him their version of the sacred name Yahweh.[88]

Price, Robert M.. The Christ-Myth Theory And Its Problems . American Atheist Press. Kindle Edition.
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