My comment, in context, related to the theories based upon the two figures mentioned. Building a theory upon Josephan figures with no outside of Josephus historical evidence, with the idea that the theory somehow relates to the gospel Jesus story, is a futile exercise. One may as well stay with fictional gospel Jesus story.
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But that's exactly how Jesus was created - Ant's reader found the right man in the book, who supposedly lived 65 years earlier, was loved by Jews and Gentiles, died on a cross. He thought and decided - this is the Messiah. The rest will be added.
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Before the finding of a such man in Ant., what did the Christians believe that Jesus was?
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There was no Christians. It was a fresh idea to find human incarnation of the God as a mere man. Not king but mere man.απλός άνθρωπος.
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Why stop at 65 years? Why not go with 75 years and stay in tune with the TF placing in 19 c. e.? Or are you upholding a whole cloth Eusebius interpolation of the TF and thereby negating any relevance to 19 c..e. Which leaves you with putting all the 23 years of Tiberius in a bag, saying abracadabra three times before pulling out a Tiberius date for your Pilate story.
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Testimonium and Pilate -ca 30AD. Ant was published 94CE.I'm not too attached to this calculation
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Resuming: the need of finding a human incarnation of the God (a Messiah?) moved some writers of a sect/school of the Diaspora to find a good stunt double in Ant., just with the same easiness by which they found one (John the Baptist) for Elijah.
What was this sect/school of the Diaspora? Gentilizers (against the strict observance of the Torah)? Judaizers (fanatics of the Torah)?
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The TF is set within a context of 19 c. e. It seems your not committed to Josephus dating for your Jesus theory. But I thought you said, or inferred, the gospel writers got their Jesus figure from Josephus Antiquities.
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The TF is set within a context of 19 c. e. It seems your not committed to Josephus dating for your Jesus theory. But I thought you said, or inferred, the gospel writers got their Jesus figure from Josephus Antiquities.
I think you know more. I didn't know that TF is concerned events from 19CE. Jesus from Ant was chosen by writer of letters and gospels to be a Messiah.
I think you know more. I didn't know that TF is concerned events from 19CE. Jesus from Ant was chosen by writer of letters and gospels to be a Messiah.
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Giuseppe. The Hellenistic followers of Judaism, led by the Herodians, lost control of the Temple and sat astride the barricade between the opposing communities that were fighting - the Greeks and the Jews. They chose the Greeks. Jesus was falsely accused by the Jews and crucified by the Romans because the author of this story was a Greek monotheist.