a neglected Marcionite gospel reference

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Re: a neglected Marcionite gospel reference

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andrewcriddle wrote: Sun Apr 14, 2024 3:17 am
Peter Kirby wrote: Sat Apr 13, 2024 12:36 pm
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20.20 Then the mother of the sons of Zeb'edee came up to him, with her sons, and kneeling before him she asked him for something
20.21 And he said to her, "What do you want?" She said to him, "Command that these two sons of mine may sit, one at your right hand and one at your left, in your kingdom." 20.22 But Jesus answered, "You do not know what you are asking. Are you able to drink the cup that I am to drink?" They said to him, "We are able." 20.23 He said to them, "You will drink my cup, but to sit at my right hand and at my left is not mine to grant, but it is for those for whom it has been prepared by my Father." 20.24 And when the ten heard it, they were indignant at the two brothers. 20.25 But Jesus called them to him and said, "You know that the rulers of the Gentiles lord it over them, and their great men exercise authority over them. 20.26 It shall not be so among you; but whoever would be great among you must be your servant, 20.27 and whoever would be first among you must be your slave; 20.28 even as the Son of man came not to be served but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many."
10.35 And James and John, the sons of Zeb'edee, came forward to him, and said to him, "Teacher, we want you to do for us whatever we ask of you." 10.36 And he said to them, "What do you want me to do for you?" 10.37 And they said to him, "Grant us to sit, one at your right hand and one at your left, in your glory." 10.38 But Jesus said to them, "You do not know what you are asking. Are you able to drink the cup that I drink, or to be baptized with the baptism with which I am baptized?" 10.39 And they said to him, "We are able." And Jesus said to them, "The cup that I drink you will drink; and with the baptism with which I am baptized, you will be baptized; 10.40 but to sit at my right hand or at my left is not mine to grant, but it is for those for whom it has been prepared." 10.41 And when the ten heard it, they began to be indignant at James and John. 10.42 And Jesus called them to him and said to them, "You know that those who are supposed to rule over the Gentiles lord it over them, and their great men exercise authority over them. 10.43 But it shall not be so among you; but whoever would be great among you must be your servant, 10.44 and whoever would be first among you must be slave of all. 10.45 For the Son of man also came not to be served but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many." 22.24 A dispute also arose among them, which of them was to be regarded as the greatest. 22.25 And he said to them, "The kings of the Gentiles exercise lordship over them; and those in authority over them are called benefactors. 22.26 But not so with you; rather let the greatest among you become as the youngest, and the leader as one who serves. 22.27 For which is the greater, one who sits at table, or one who serves? Is it not the one who sits at table? But I am among you as one who serves. 22.28 " You are those who have continued with me in my trials; 22.29 and I assign to you, as my Father assigned to me, a kingdom, 22.30 that you may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom, and sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

Origen, Homily on Luke 25.5

For some say this, that the passage in Scripture that speaks of "sitting at the Savior's right and left" applies to Paul and Marcion: Paul sits at his right hand and Marcion at his left.

It seems IMO unlikely that Marcion himself believed that this passage referred to him. It is probably an idea of some of his later followers.
I didn't say otherwise.
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Re: a neglected Marcionite gospel reference

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Not so late, however. Since in proto-John the Paraclete is Marcion.
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