Starting to Have Strong Doubts About Ariel Sabar's Timeline
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Re: Starting to Have Strong Doubts About Ariel Sabar's Timeline
Back with this same old nonsense in a thread called "starting to have doubts about Ariel Sabar's timeline." So you won't answer the question regarding whether Ariel Sabar's efforts to intimate that Atanas Madjoucoff was Morton Smith's lover was fair based on the evidence. I take that as an acknowledgement it was unfair but useful to the war against Morton Smith so you don't care about what that did to his legacy or his family's remembrance of their father. If you don't contradict my interpretation I will note it as such.
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Re: Starting to Have Strong Doubts About Ariel Sabar's Timeline
Of course I contradict your interpretation, but can't promise to attempt to counter all errors.
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So you acknowledge that Ariel Sabar was trying to demonstrate that Atanas Madjoucoff was Morton Smith's lover in the Atlantic piece and you think, based on the evidence assembled by Sabar, that he has indeed made a convincing case for this assertion.
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Re: Starting to Have Strong Doubts About Ariel Sabar's Timeline
No. Don't put words in my mouth. I have no direct knowledge of that man.
What I do currently think is that Sabar's article--***which was vetted, typically via additional information, and approved by Atlantic editors***--is generally, relatively, a more credible and coherent presentation than yours.
And, what is yours, beyond insisting Smith was innocent? E.g., do you still think Clement wrote it?
What I do currently think is that Sabar's article--***which was vetted, typically via additional information, and approved by Atlantic editors***--is generally, relatively, a more credible and coherent presentation than yours.
And, what is yours, beyond insisting Smith was innocent? E.g., do you still think Clement wrote it?
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Re: Starting to Have Strong Doubts About Ariel Sabar's Timeline
I am happy being uncertain. I am unhappy with certitude. I study Marcion. Don't think Smith forged it. Doesn't add up. For me the proper context is Basil Letter 366. Which came first the chicken or the egg? Stromata or 366? But that's me.
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Re: Starting to Have Strong Doubts About Ariel Sabar's Timeline
Happy uncertain while declaring Smith certainly would not do that? Hm.
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Re: Starting to Have Strong Doubts About Ariel Sabar's Timeline
There is no evidence he did it. I also don't believe that Jesus was God. No evidence.
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Re: Starting to Have Strong Doubts About Ariel Sabar's Timeline
Deflection again.
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Do think a mere accusation of forgery is evidence of forgery? No one outside of this could imagine how crazy this debate is. I feel sorry for any innocent party interviewed by Sabar. It must have been like "how are you?" "tell me about your father's relationship with Morton Smith" "how are your kids doing." Then they opened the article. Wham! Your father was Morton Smith's gay lover. It must have completely steamroller over them the depths of the depravity of this debate. Poor family. The story about Secret Mark isn't Secret Mark it's why it's so important to so many people to turn this into a circus.
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Re: Starting to Have Strong Doubts About Ariel Sabar's Timeline
Of course not, but anyone with open eyes who says there is "no evidence" is not credible.