Starting to Have Strong Doubts About Ariel Sabar's Timeline

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Starting to Have Strong Doubts About Ariel Sabar's Timeline

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It always struck me as strange that Sabar couldn't find a gay lover. So what did he do? I will let you be the judge. Seems like a lot of research by Google. For instance he must have come up on this obituary:

https://www.dignitymemorial.com/obituar ... em-8131891

This is where he got elements to write this "gay" sounding relationship thing in his article:
"He and Smith had met in Jerusalem, apparently in the 1940s, and reunited in 1951, when Smith took a year’s research leave from Brown. Madjoucoff accompanied Smith to monastery libraries around Greece, and in August 1952, according to passenger manifests, they boarded the SS Excambion together, in Piraeus, for an 18-day voyage to Boston. In Providence, Smith found Madjoucoff an apartment around the corner from his. But shortly after Brown told Smith that his time there was up, Madjoucoff changed his last name, married a woman he’d met through his church, and moved to the suburbs." 
But in the obituary which prompted his interview:
His father remained in Jerusalem where he served the Orthodox church. Atanas immigrated to the USA in 1952 with sponsorship from his life-long friend Prof. Morton Smith, then professor of theology at Columbia University who he met in Jerusalem. Upon entry to this country, Atanas decided to change his last name from Madjoucoff to Salem to reflect the city of his birth. He soon moved to Providence, RI and acquired the nickname Tony.
Sabar changes the chronology to "sexualize" the relationship. From:

1. change of name when Atanas enters USA then
2. move to Providence RI

In Sabar's manipulated chronology

1. entry into USA 
2. Morton Smith "setting him up in an apartment" in Rhodes Island "around the corner from him" [= sexualized trope, what Parisian men do for their mistresses]
3. name change with an apparent change of sexual identity [homosexuality to heterosexuality] 

I bet there is more subtle massaging of the data to fit the narrative. No way this guy is gay. Have already talked to a few people. He was a refugee. He need a sponsor. What do people imagine? It's crazy. Look at the obituary again:
In 1948, he fled the war along with his mother, siblings and bother-in-law seeking refuge in Lebanon. His father remained in Jerusalem where he served the Orthodox church.
The idea that Morton Smith used his sponsorship to get sexual favors from this guy is a joke.
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Sabar fails to mention this guy was already married in 1955. While Smith was still working at Brown. https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-co ... 59759:2190
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I don't think Sabar is telling the truth about Morton Smith being on the boat with this guy.
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The ancestry link does not work for me. If Smith was informed that he would not continue at Brown, was denied tenure, sometime in 1955, and if his acquaintance married sometime in 1955, such is not necessarily a contradiction.
Was Smith in 1952 a prof at Columbia??
When he was--later--a Columbia prof, was that of theology or of ancient history?
Leaving aside further unreliable though asserted suppositions.
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Look at this.

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This has to be what Sabar based his claim:
Madjoucoff accompanied Smith to monastery libraries around Greece, and in August 1952, according to passenger manifests, they boarded the SS Excambion together, in Piraeus, for an 18-day voyage to Boston.
Smith might be listed on another passenger manifest.
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The "image" does not work for me.
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Smith does not appear to be on the manifest. This passenger is listed as staying at Morton Smith's address or that Morton Smith is his sponsor.
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Was it 1955 or 1954 when Smith learned he was not given tenure at Brown?
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Whether or not they traveled on the same ship does not appear to me to be crucial for NT studies.
If you think you are a better researcher than Sabar and Atlantic editors, ok, take your chance.
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Come on. There were those (Mark Goodacre) who cheered this on as "brilliant."
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