Origen Identifies Jesus as One of the Men at Sodom?

[Secret Alias]

Καὶ βέλτιόν γε ἦν ὑπεκστῆναι τὸ παιδίον Ἰησοῦν τὴν Ἡρώδου ἐπιβουλὴν καὶ ἀποδημῆσαι μετὰ τῶν τρεφόντων αὐτὸ "εἰς Αἴγυπτον" "ἕως τῆς τελευτῆς" τοῦ ἐπιβουλεύοντος, ἢ τὴν περὶ τοῦ Ἰησοῦ πρόνοιαν κωλύειν τὸ ἐφ' ἡμῖν Ἡρώδου ἀναιρεῖν τὸ παιδίον θέλοντος ἢ τὴν λεγομένην παρὰ τοῖς ποιηταῖς "Ἄϊδος κυνέην" ἤ τι παραπλήσιον ποιεῖν εἶναι περὶ τὸν Ἰησοῦν ἢ πατάξαι ὁμοίως τοῖς ἐν Σοδόμοις τοὺς ἥκοντας ἐπὶ τὴν ἀναίρεσιν αὐτοῦ. Τὸ γὰρ πάνυ παράδοξον τῆς ἐπ' αὐτὸν βοηθείας καὶ ἐπὶ πλέον ἐμφανὲς οὐκ ἦν χρήσιμον τῷ βού λεσθαι αὐτὸν διδάξαι ὡς ἄνθρωπον μαρτυρούμενον ὑπὸ τοῦ θεοῦ ἔχειν τι θειότερον ἐν τῷ βλεπομένῳ ἀνθρώπῳ·

And it was certainly better that the Child Jesus should escape the snare of Herod, and should reside with His parents in Egypt until the death of the conspirator, than that Divine Providence should hinder the free-will of Herod in his wish to put the Child to death, or that the fabled poetic helmet of Hades should have been employed, or anything of a similar kind done with respect to Jesus, or that they who came to destroy Him should have been smitten with blindness like the people of Sodom. For the sending of help to Him in a very miraculous and unnecessarily public manner, would not have been of any service to Him who wished to show that as a man, to whom witness was borne by God, He possessed within that form which was seen by the eyes of men some higher element of divinity, — that which was properly the Son of God— God the Word— the power of God, and the wisdom of God — He who is called the Christ.

The Homeric helmet was associated with the Marcosians in Irenaeus. περὶ τὸν Ἰησοῦν ἢ πατάξαι ὁμοίως τοῖς ἐν Σοδόμοις τοὺς ἥκοντας ἐπὶ τὴν ἀναίρεσιν αὐτοῦ = "To treat Jesus in the same way as those who came to Sodom for his destruction." Is Origen attacking the Jew here as a Jew and saying that Genesis invents nonsense?

[billd89]

Καὶ βέλτιόν γε ἦν ὑπεκστῆναι τὸ παιδίον Ἰησοῦν τὴν Ἡρώδου ἐπιβουλὴν καὶ ἀποδημῆσαι μετὰ τῶν τρεφόντων αὐτὸ "εἰς Αἴγυπτον" "ἕως τῆς τελευτῆς" τοῦ ἐπιβουλεύοντος...

And it was certainly better that the Child Jesus should escape the snare of Herod, and should reside with His parents in Egypt until the death of the conspirator, ...

"And it was better the Child Jesus should flee Herod's plot, and to depart with those who were nurturing him "to Egypt" "until the death" of the one plotting against him..." Chapter 12 is more interesting: I want more information on the 'Jewish magicians of the PGM'.

Tell us more about Jeebus in Alexandria, or wherever ...



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[Secret Alias]

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[andrewcriddle]

FWIW Justin claims that Christ was one of the three men who appeared to Abraham to Judge Sodom.

Andrew Criddle