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Re: Basic reason why the name of Pilate was absent in the Earliest Passion Story extrapolated from Mark

Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2024 12:54 pm
by Giuseppe
I have asked to ChatGBT:

Giuseppe:
Do you know what "causatively" means with respect to Hebrew verbs?

ChatGPT:
Yes, in Hebrew grammar, causative verbs are used to indicate that the subject of the verb is causing someone or something else to perform the action. For example, the causative form of the verb "to eat" would indicate causing someone to eat, rather than eating oneself.

Giuseppe:
Can פלט mean in Hebrew "to release, to deliver, to set one free"?

ChatGPT:
Yes, the Hebrew verb פלט (pālaṭ) can indeed mean "to release," "to deliver," or "to set one free." It is often used in contexts where someone is being freed from captivity, danger, or oppression

Neil was right in saying that ChatGPT is a more honest interlocutor than many human beings.

Re: Basic reason why the name of Pilate was absent in the Earliest Passion Story extrapolated from Mark

Posted: Thu Feb 29, 2024 12:16 am
by DrSarah
Giuseppe wrote: Wed Feb 28, 2024 12:54 pm I have asked to ChatGBT:
Okaaaaay, pause it right there. ChatGPT is well known for not being reliable in its accuracy. It's an AI designed to simulate conversation, not to fact-check. There are many examples of ChatGPT stating inaccurate information with complete confidence. It is - and I cannot stress this enough - a really bad idea to rely on ChatGPT for any information.

Re: Forever?

Posted: Thu Feb 29, 2024 9:29 pm
by billd89
DrSarah wrote: Thu Feb 29, 2024 12:16 am
Giuseppe wrote: Wed Feb 28, 2024 12:54 pm I have asked to ChatGBT:
Okaaaaay, pause it right there. ChatGPT is well known for not being reliable in its accuracy. It's an AI designed to simulate conversation, not to fact-check. There are many examples of ChatGPT stating inaccurate information with complete confidence. It is - and I cannot stress this enough - a really bad idea to rely on ChatGPT for any information.
Well, Yes and No. I myself have posted some examples of chatbox bollocks and replies to what has been -- to this point in time -- misuse of the technology. For now, I think it's more ... "overreach," caveat lector.

But ChatGPT is adapting, 'learning' advancing: certain deficits several months back may not be present now. I wouldn't throw the baby out with the bathwater, not just yet. ChatGPT3.5 is/was a great improvement; so, who here knows how far it will advance in 3 years?

Historically speaking, such total, permanent rejections of new technology/adaptive tools have not proven not wise.


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AI Chatbots are evolving fairly quickly. By the end of 2025, the current options might look (in retrospect) laughably weak, poor:
https://www.businessinsider.com/openai- ... ear-2024-5

Re: Using ChatGPT

Posted: Mon May 13, 2024 6:02 am
by Leucius Charinus
I just spent almost a week thinking about and then writing a seven page essay entitled "Primary and Secondary Sources & the History of Christian Literature". If anyone is interested here is a link to it:

https://www.academia.edu/119008034/Prim ... Literature

Afterwards today I then asked ChatGPT to comment on the substance of the essay and it produced the following response in a second or two and I am left wondering why I have not used it more often.
LC wrote:What are the differences between primary and secondary sources of history according to the classical historical method? And what are the differences between primary and secondary sources of history according to the biblical historical method?
In the classical historical method, primary and secondary sources are distinguished based on their proximity to the events being studied:

1. Classical Historical Method:

• Primary Sources: These are firsthand accounts or direct evidence of events by people who experienced or witnessed them. Examples include letters, diaries, official documents, eyewitness testimonies, and artifacts from the time period under study. Primary sources offer immediacy and authenticity but may be limited in perspective or biased by the author's viewpoint.

• Secondary Sources: These are interpretations or analyses of primary sources created after the events by historians or scholars. Secondary sources involve the synthesis, interpretation, and evaluation of primary sources. They may provide context, analysis, and varying perspectives on historical events, but they are removed from the original context and may introduce biases or interpretations influenced by the historian's perspective.

Now, the Biblical Historical Method might introduce some variations:

2. Biblical Historical Method:

• Primary Sources: In this method, primary sources are considered to be the biblical texts themselves, such as the Old and New Testaments. These texts are believed to contain direct accounts or records of historical events, including narratives, laws, poetry, and prophecy. For adherents of the biblical historical method, these texts are considered divinely inspired and historically accurate accounts of events.

• Secondary Sources: Secondary sources in the biblical historical method typically refer to scholarly interpretations, commentaries, or historical analyses of the biblical texts. These secondary sources may include archaeological findings, extrabiblical historical documents, or academic works that seek to provide context, cultural background, and critical analysis of the biblical narratives. Unlike in the classical historical method, where secondary sources are created by historians, in the biblical historical method, secondary sources may still involve scholarly analysis but are often approached with a reverence for the primary biblical texts as authoritative sources of historical truth.
In summary, while the distinction between primary and secondary sources remains similar in both the classical and biblical historical methods, the primary sources themselves and the level of authority attributed to them differ significantly due to the religious and interpretative frameworks of the biblical historical method.

LC wrote: Nearly all of the earliest extant manuscripts incorporated into collection of the church fathers (that is the Ante Nicene Fathers, the Nicene Fathers and the Post Nicene Fathers are from the middle ages. With respect to the study of the first four centuries of the common era are these manuscript sources considered to be primary sources by the classical historical method? Are these manuscript sources considered to be primary sources by the biblical historical method? Please provide an analysis of why these two methods differ.
In the classical historical method, primary sources are typically defined as firsthand accounts or direct evidence from the time period being studied. However, the manuscripts incorporated into the collections of the church fathers, such as the Ante-Nicene Fathers, Nicene Fathers, and Post-Nicene Fathers, which emerged in the Middle Ages, are not considered primary sources by classical historians for the study of the first four centuries of the Common Era. Here's why:

1. Classical Historical Method:

• The manuscripts included in the collections of the church fathers are considered secondary sources rather than primary sources by classical historians. This is because they were compiled and written centuries after the events they describe. They represent interpretations, commentaries, theological reflections, and doctrinal positions of Christian thinkers from later periods, often influenced by their own cultural, theological, and historical contexts.

• While these manuscripts may contain references to earlier texts or traditions, they are not direct accounts or firsthand evidence of the events they describe. Instead, they reflect the perspectives and understandings of the authors and communities that produced them, which may be shaped by theological considerations or agendas.

• Classical historians would instead rely on primary sources closer to the events they are studying, such as contemporary writings, official documents, inscriptions, archaeological evidence, and other forms of direct testimony from the period under investigation.

2. Biblical Historical Method:

• In the biblical historical method, the distinction between primary and secondary sources may be approached differently due to the authority attributed to certain texts, particularly the biblical scriptures.

• While the manuscripts of the church fathers are not considered primary sources for the study of the early Christian period by classical historical standards, they may hold greater significance within the biblical historical method. This is because they contain interpretations, commentaries, and reflections on the biblical texts, which are themselves considered primary sources within this method.

• For adherents of the biblical historical method, the church fathers' writings are secondary sources that provide valuable insights into the early interpretation and understanding of biblical texts, as well as the development of Christian theology and doctrine. They are seen as part of a tradition of interpretation that extends back to the apostolic period, even if they were written centuries later.

• However, it's important to recognize that even within the biblical historical method, there is a recognition of the chronological and interpretative distance between the church fathers' writings and the events described in the biblical texts. While these writings are valued for their insights and perspectives, they are not considered direct eyewitness accounts or firsthand evidence of the events of the early Christian period.

In summary, while the manuscripts of the church fathers are generally considered secondary sources by classical historians due to their chronological distance from the events they describe, they may hold a different level of significance within the biblical historical method, where they are viewed as part of a tradition of interpretation and reflection on the primary sources of scripture.