erm, not really. I don't follow you at all, nor any of these 'hallucinations.'
Sorry I don't 'do' Rorschach interpretations: I need abit more certainty.
I'm still rather confused where ChatGPT starts and finishes, so I asked again.
Part 1: I started by feeding the e-Beast that Philonic
DVC 1.47-8 passage, for which I received an adequate trans.:
Chat GPT:
"Thus, living in this manner, they continue to be homeless and without a city, enemies of their parents, wives, and children, enemies also of their own country, and adversaries even to themselves; for a moist and dissolute life is treacherous to all.* Perhaps someone might recognize the current trend prevailing everywhere in the banquets, characterized by a desire for luxurious living and indulgence, which both Greeks and barbarians have emulated, seeking to display their preparations more for ostentation than for enjoyment."
*This phrase appeals to me in an altogether different way, but 'usefulness' from the cited verb ἀπόκειμαι (to be laid away, be laid up in store) is in no way implied. Unfortunately,
'Dissolute' (or: hopelessly sick) is not identical to 'Uselessness' either: 'close, but no cigar!'
Part 2: The next task was to figure out Secret Alias' apparently gibberish reference, paraphrase, or whatever: @#$$#%&**(&%&&!!!.
Me:
where is this phrase from? "...τὰ μὲν ἄχρηστα καὶ τὰ μηδὲν ἀποκειμένα πρὸς χρῆσιν..."
ChatGPT:
The phrase "τὰ μὲν ἄχρηστα καὶ τὰ μηδὲν ἀποκειμένα πρὸς χρῆσιν" translates to "the useless and the things that are of no use at all" in English. This phrase is from the works of the ancient Greek philosopher Plato, specifically from his dialogue "Theaetetus." It is part of a passage where Socrates discusses the nature of knowledge and perception with Theaetetus.
To my brief follow-up query, ChatGPT 3.5 specified this citation: "Plato, Theaetetus, 155d–156a."
Going to Perseus (
155d), we DO NOT find this text "...τὰ μὲν ἄχρηστα καὶ τὰ μηδὲν ἀποκειμένα πρὸς χρῆσιν..." nor any Socratic rhetoric on Uselessness, here. (The Perseus trans. is identified as from
Plato. Plato in Twelve Volumes, Vol. 12 translated by Harold N. Fowler. Cambridge, MA, Harvard University Press; London, William Heinemann Ltd. 1921.)
Socrates:
Theodorus seems to be a pretty good guesser about your nature. For this feeling of wonder shows that you are a philosopher, since wonder is the only beginning of philosophy, and he who said that Iris was the child of Thaumas1 made a good genealogy. But do you begin to understand why these things are so, according to the doctrine we attribute to Protagoras, or do you not as yet?
Theaetetus
Not yet, I think.
Socrates
And will you be grateful to me if I help you (155e) to search out the hidden truth of the thought of a famous man or, I should say, of famous men?
Theaetetus
Of course I shall be grateful, very grateful.
Socrates
Look round and see that none of the uninitiated is listening. The uninitiated are those who think nothing is except what they can grasp firmly with their hands, and who deny the existence of actions and generation and all that is invisible.
Theaetetus
Truly, Socrates, those you speak of are very stubborn [156a] and perverse mortals.
DCHindley wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2024 7:18 pmOf course this has nothing to do with the text cited in AA's quote of "Chat GPT" output. Maybe that is AA's point, yes?
SA's Chatbot point? No frikken clue! I'm not sure how he got ChatGPT (whichever version??) to generate that Greek phrasing which I also cannot find online. There's nothing sensible nor coherent to grasp here: his Chatbot output is literally like talking to the most fucked-up alkie at the dive bar about ... oh ... anything serious. If you take it at face-value -- HOO-BOY!
Me:
Is that relevant to the other, longer Greek passage which I provided?
ChatGPT:
Apologies for the confusion. No, the citation I provided is not directly relevant to the longer Greek passage you provided earlier. The longer passage appears to be from a different source, not from Plato's "Theaetetus." If you have any other questions or if you need further assistance, please feel free to ask.