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Firstly let it be said that there was a historical Pontius Pilate, as recorded in an inscription discovered in 1961 as well as in Josephus Ant. 18.35 (and Tacitus Annals 15.44, if you allow it). The Pontii were a gens of the plebeian rank, from the Samnites in central Italy. There are two speculations regarding the name, one that it derives from Latin penta (meaning 'five'), the other that it comes from the Greek pontos (meaning 'sea').

Obviously, there's a region in Asia Minor that itself comes from the Greek pontos, specifically Pontus. Someone hailing from there could be called ponticus, as shown by Tertullian:

"Where at that time was Marcion, the Pontic shipmaster [Marcion, ponticus nauclerus], the student of the Stoic philosophy?" (De Praescriptione Haereticorum, 30)

And by a pseudonymous third century text likely based on an earlier Greek anti-heretical tract:

"After him emerged a disciple of his, one Marcion by name, a native of Pontus [Ponticus genere], son of a bishop, excommunicated because of a rape committed on a certain virgin." (Adversus Omnes Haereses, 6.2)

(Similarly, for example, Cicero refers frequently to Heraclides Ponticus, Heraclides from Pontus. Diogenes Laertius refers to the same as Ἡρακλείδης Ποντικὸς, in Greek.)

Ponticus could also be a name, and as a name it could be confused with Pontius in manuscripts. Notice the footnote: "the same ms. reads Ponticus [instead of Pontius] with most mss. of Eusebius."

So, to put a hypothesis out there plainly, I would like to suggest that the stereotyped phrase "before Pontius Pilate" in connection with Jesus' suffering and death found in second century writing connected with the Roman church had a certain propaganda value. Without actually naming the target and giving him a place of dignity in their professions of faith, the phrase would have a chilling effect on the listener when understood as a condemnation of him who is not named. The hypothesis cannot really rise above a conjecture, but it has the advantage of being the only explanation to date as to why it is such a frozen phrase. That is, other than the old chestnut that it was used to lend specificity to the historical setting. (Although not perfect, there may be a modern analogy of sorts.)

Outside of the New Testament (and a fragment of a quotation of 1 Tm 6:13 by Clement of Alexandria), there are three authors in Greek during the second century who use the phrase ἐπὶ Ποντίου Πιλάτου: they are the author of the Ignatian epistles, Justin Martyr, and Irenaeus of Lyons. The first prolific Latin author, Tertullian, also brandishes the Latin sub Pontio Pilato.

Taking them by order of frequency:

In addition to a quotation of 1 Tm 6:13, Tertullian speaks of an unchanging rule of faith:

The rule of faith, indeed, is altogether one, alone immoveable and irreformable; the rule, to wit, of believing in one only God omnipotent, the Creator of the universe, and His Son Jesus Christ, born of the Virgin Mary, crucified under Pontius Pilate [crucifixum sub Pontio Pilato], raised again the third day from the dead, received in the heavens, sitting now at the right (hand) of the Father, destined to come to judge quick and dead through the resurrection of the flesh as well (as of the spirit). (De Virginibus Velandis, 4)

In this form, it's clearly reminiscent of the creeds. It also has apparent value in refuting heretics, as it is claimed to be immutable.

Irenaeus writes:

Yea, moreover, as I have said, the dead even have been raised up, and remained among us for many years. And what shall I more say? It is not possible to name the number of the gifts which the Church, [scattered] throughout the whole world, has received from God, in the name of Jesus Christ, who was crucified under Pontius Pilate [σταυρωθέντος ἐπὶ Ποντίου Πιλάτου], and which she exerts day by day for the benefit of the Gentiles, neither practising deception upon any, nor taking any reward from them [on account of such miraculous interpositions]. (Adv. Haer. 2.32.4)

There's only a phrase snatched out of a confession of faith here, inserted into a discussion of Jesus' works not being in appearance only, but here:

To which course many nations of those barbarians who believe in Christ do assent, having salvation written in their hearts by the Spirit, without paper or ink, and, carefully preserving the ancient tradition, believing in one God, the Creator of heaven and earth, and all things therein, by means of Christ Jesus, the Son of God; who, because of His surpassing love towards His creation, condescended to be born of the virgin, He Himself uniting man through Himself to God, and having suffered under Pontius Pilate [ὅτι ὁ παθὼν ἐπὶ Ποντίου Πιλάτου], and rising again, and having been received up in splendour, shall come in glory, the Saviour of those who are saved, and the Judge of those who are judged, and sending into eternal fire those who transform the truth, and despise His Father and His advent. Those who, in the absence of written documents, have believed this faith, are barbarians, so far as regards our language; but as regards doctrine, manner, and tenor of life, they are, because of faith, very wise indeed; and they do please God, ordering their conversation in all righteousness, chastity, and wisdom. If any one were to preach to these men the inventions of the heretics, speaking to them in their own language, they would at once stop their ears, and flee as far off as possible, not enduring even to listen to the blasphemous address. Thus, by means of that ancient tradition of the apostles, they do not suffer their mind to conceive anything of the [doctrines suggested by the] portentous language of these teachers, among whom neither Church nor doctrine has ever been established. (Adv. Haer. 3.4.2)

Irenaeus provides a full expression of the "ancient tradition" which all could follow, in the absence of texts.

Here is the opinion of Irenaeus on Marcion:

Marcion of Pontus [Μαρκίων ὁ Ποντικὸς] succeeded him [Cerdo], and developed his doctrine. In so doing, he advanced the most daring blasphemy against Him who is proclaimed as God by the law and the prophets, declaring Him to be the author of evils, to take delight in war, to be infirm of purpose, and even to be contrary to Himself. But Jesus being derived from that father who is above the God that made the world, and coming into Judaea in the times of Pontius Pilate the governor, who was the procurator of Tiberius Caesar, was manifested in the form of a man to those who were in Judaea, abolishing the prophets and the law, and all the works of that God who made the world, whom also he calls Cosmocrator. Besides this, he mutilates the Gospel which is according to Luke, removing all that is written respecting the generation of the Lord, and setting aside a great deal of the teaching of the Lord, in which the Lord is recorded as most dearly confessing that the Maker of this universe is His Father. He likewise persuaded his disciples that he himself was more worthy of credit than are those apostles who have handed down the Gospel to us, furnishing them not with the Gospel, but merely a fragment of it. In like manner, too, he dismembered the Epistles of Paul, removing all that is said by the apostle respecting that God who made the world, to the effect that He is the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, and also those passages from the prophetical writings which the apostle quotes, in order to teach us that they announced beforehand the coming of the Lord.

There are also two appearances of the phrase in the recensio media of Ignatius, which is of uncertain date and authorship.

Now these things I say, my dearly beloved, not because I have learned that any of you are so minded; but as being less than any of you, I would have you be on your guard betimes, that ye fall not into the snares of vain doctrine; but be ye fully persuaded concerning the birth and the passion and the resurrection, which took place in the time of the governorship of Pontius Pilate [ἀληθῶς ἐδιώχθη ἐπὶ Ποντίου Πιλάτου]; for these things were truly and certainly done by Jesus Christ our hope; from which hope may it not befal any of you to be turned aside. (Magnesians 11:1)

I give glory to Jesus Christ the God who bestowed such wisdom upon you; for I have perceived that ye are established in faith immovable, being as it were nailed on the cross of the Lord Jesus Christ, in flesh and in spirit, and firmly grounded in love in the blood of Christ, fully persuaded as touching our Lord that He is truly of the race of David according to the flesh, but Son of God by the Divine will and power, truly born of a virgin and baptized by John that all righteousness might be fulfilled by Him, 1:2 truly nailed up in the flesh for our sakes under Pontius Pilate and Herod the tetrarch [ἀληθῶς ἐπὶ Ποντίου Πιλάτου καὶ Ἡρώδου τετράρχου καθηλωμένον ὑπὲρ ἡμῶν ἐν σαρκί] (of which fruit are we -- that is, of His most blessed passion); that He might set up an ensign unto all the ages through His resurrection, for His saints and faithful people, whether among Jews or among Gentiles, in one body of His Church. (Smyrnaeans 1:1-2)

But the most frequent user of the phrase is Justin Martyr, that most contemporary and bitter opponent of Marcion.

Justinus Martyr Apol., Apologia
Chapter 13, section 3, line 3

Our teacher of these things is Jesus Christ, who also was born for this purpose, and was crucified under Pontius Pilate [τὸν σταυρωθέντα ἐπὶ Ποντίου Πιλάτου], procurator of Judaea, in the times of Tiberius Caesar; and that we reasonably worship Him, having learned that He is the Son of the true God Himself, and holding Him in the second place, and the prophetic Spirit in the third, we will prove. For they proclaim our madness to consist in this, that we give to a crucified man a place second to the unchangeable and eternal God, the Creator of all; for they do not discern the mystery that is herein, to which, as we make it plain to you, we pray you to give heed.

Justinus Martyr Apol., Apologia
Chapter 35, section 9, line 1

And after He was crucified they cast lots upon His vesture, and they that crucified Him parted it among them. And that these things did happen, you can ascertain from the Acts of Pontius Pilate. [δύνασθε μαθεῖν ἐκ τῶν ἐπὶ Ποντίου Πιλάτου γενομένων ἄκτων]

Justinus Martyr Apol., Apologia
Chapter 46, section 1, line 5

But lest some should, without reason, and for the perversion of what we teach, maintain that we say that Christ was born one hundred and fifty years ago under Cyrenius, and subsequently, in the time of Pontius Pilate [δεδιδαχέναι δὲ ἅ φαμεν διδάξαι αὐτὸν ὕστερον χρόνοις ἐπὶ Ποντίου Πιλάτου], taught what we say He taught; and should cry out against us as though all men who were born before Him were irresponsible--let us anticipate and solve the difficulty. We have been taught that Christ is the first-born of God, and we have declared above that He is the Word of whom every race of men were partakers; and those who lived reasonably are Christians, even though they have been thought atheists; as, among the Greeks, Socrates and Heraclitus, and men like them; and among the barbarians, Abraham, and Ananias, and Azarias, and Misael, and Elias, and many others whose actions and names we now decline to recount, because we know it would be tedious. So that even they who lived before Christ, and lived without reason, were wicked and hostile to Christ, and slew those who lived reasonably. But who, through the power of the Word, according to the will of God the Father and Lord of all, He was born of a virgin as a man, and was named Jesus, and was crucified, and died, and rose again, and ascended into heaven, an intelligent man will be able to comprehend from what has been already so largely said. And we, since the proof of this subject is less needful now, will pass for the present to the proof of those things which are urgent.

Justinus Martyr Apol., Apologia
Chapter 48, section 3, line 2

And that it was predicted that our Christ should heal all diseases and raise the dead, hear what was said. There are these words: "At His coming the lame shall leap as an hart, and the tongue of the stammerer shall be clear speaking: the blind shall see, and the lepers shall be cleansed; and the dead shall rise, and walk about." And that He did those things, you can learn from the Acts of Pontius Pilate. [ἐκ τῶν ἐπὶ Ποντίου Πιλάτου γενομένων ἄκτων μαθεῖν δύνασθε]

Justinus Martyr Apol., Apologia
Chapter 61, section 13, line 2

And for this [rite] we have learned from the apostles this reason. Since at our birth we were born without our own knowledge or choice, by our parents coming together, and were brought up in bad habits and wicked training; in order that we may not remain the children of necessity and of ignorance, but may become the children of choice and knowledge, and may obtain in the water the remission of sins formerly committed, there is pronounced over him who chooses to be born again, and has repented of his sins, the name of God the Father and Lord of the universe; he who leads to the layer the person that is to be washed calling him by this name alone. For no one can utter the name of the ineffable God; and if any one dare to say that there is a name, he raves with a hopeless madness. And this washing is called illumination, because they who learn these things are illuminated in their understandings. And in the name of Jesus Christ, who was crucified under Pontius Pilate [τοῦ σταυρωθέντος ἐπὶ Ποντίου Πιλάτου], and in the name of the Holy Ghost, who through the prophets foretold all things about Jesus, he who is illuminated is washed.

Justinus Martyr Apol., Apologia secunda
Chapter 6, section 6, line 4

But "Jesus," His name as man and Saviour, has also significance. For He was made man also, as we before said, having been conceived according to the will of God the Father, for the sake of believing men, and for the destruction of the demons. And now you can learn this from what is under your own observation. For numberless demoniacs throughout the whole world, and in your city, many of our Christian men exorcising them in the name of Jesus Christ, who was crucified under Pontius Pilate [τοῦ σταυρωθέντος ἐπὶ Ποντίου Πιλάτου], have healed and do heal, rendering helpless and driving the possessing devils out of the men, though they could not be cured by all the other exorcists, and those who used incantations and drugs.

Justinus Martyr Apol., Dialogus cum Tryphone
Chapter 30, section 3, line 8

Moreover, it is also manifest to all, that we who believe in Him pray to be kept by Him from strange, i.e., from wicked and deceitful, spirits; as the word of prophecy, personating one of those who believe in Him, figuratively declares. For we do continually beseech God by Jesus Christ to preserve us from the demons which are hostile to the worship of God, and whom we of old time served, in order that, after our conversion by Him to God, we may be blameless. For we call Him Helper and Redeemer, the power of whose name even the demons do fear; and at this day, when they are exorcised in the name of Jesus Christ, crucified under Pontius Pilate [τοῦ σταυρωθέντος ἐπὶ Ποντίου Πιλάτου], governor of Judaea, they are overcome. And thus it is manifest to all, that His Father has given Him so great power, by virtue of which demons are subdued to His name, and to the dispensation of His suffering.

Justinus Martyr Apol., Dialogus cum Tryphone
Chapter 76, section 6, line 4

And again, in other words, He said, 'I give unto you power to tread on serpents, and on scorpions, and on scolopendras, and on all the might of the enemy.' And now we, who believe on our Lord Jesus, who was crucified under Pontius Pilate [οἱ πιστεύοντες ἐπὶ τὸν σταυρωθέντα ἐπὶ Ποντίου Πιλάτου Ἰησοῦν κύριον ἡμῶν], when we exorcise all demons and evil spirits, have them subjected to us. For if the prophets declared obscurely that Christ would suffer, and thereafter be Lord of all, yet that [declaration] could not be understood by any man until He Himself persuaded the apostles that such statements were expressly related in the Scriptures. For He exclaimed before His crucifixion: 'The Son of man must suffer many things, and be rejected by the Scribes and Pharisees, and be crucified, and on the third day rise again.' And David predicted that He would be born from the womb before sun and moon, according to the Father's will, and made Him known, being Christ, as God strong and to be worshipped.

Justinus Martyr Apol., Dialogus cum Tryphone
Chapter 85, section 2, line 4

For every demon, when exorcised in the name of this very Son of God--who is the First-born of every creature, who became man by the Virgin, who suffered, and was crucified under Pontius Pilate by your nation [καὶ σταυρωθέντος ἐπὶ Ποντίου Πιλάτου ὑπὸ τοῦ λαοῦ ὑμῶν καὶ ἀποθανόντος], who died, who rose from the dead, and ascended into heaven--is overcome and subdued.

Apology 61 most clearly suggests the use of the phrase in baptism (which in turn connects it to the creeds), and Dialogue 85 has the familiar sequence of crucifixion under Pontius Pilate, death, resurrection, and ascension.

And here is Justin's opinion of Marcion:

And there is Marcion, a man of Pontus, [Μαρκίωνα δέ τινα Ποντικόν] who is even at this day alive, and teaching his disciples to believe in some other god greater than the Creator. And he, by the aid of the devils, has caused many of every nation to speak blasphemies, and to deny that God is the maker of this universe, and to assert that some other being, greater than He, has done greater works. All who take their opinions from these men, are, as we before said, called Christians; just as also those who do not agree with the philosophers in their doctrines, have yet in common with them the name of philosophers given to them. And whether they perpetrate those fabulous and shameful deeds--the upsetting of the lamp, and promiscuous intercourse, and eating human flesh--we know not; but we do know that they are neither persecuted nor put to death by you, at least on account of their opinions. But I have a treatise against all the heresies that have existed already composed, which, if you wish to read it, I will give you. (First Apology, 26)

And, as we said before, the devils put forward Marcion of Pontus [Μαρκίωνα δὲ τὸν ἀπὸ Πόντου], who is even now teaching men to deny that God is the maker of all things in heaven and on earth, and that the Christ predicted by the prophets is His Son, and preaches another god besides the Creator of all, and likewise another son. And this man many have believed, as if he alone knew the truth, and laugh at us, though they have no proof of what they say, but are carried away irrationally as lambs by a wolf, and become the prey of atheistical doctrines, and of devils. For they who are called devils attempt nothing else than to seduce men from God who made them, and from Christ His first-begotten; and those who are unable to raise themselves above the earth they have riveted, and do now rivet, to things earthly, and to the works of their own hands; but those who devote themselves to the contemplation of things divine, they secretly beat back; and if they have not a wise sober-mindedness, and a pure and passionless life, they drive them into godlessness. (First Apology, 58)

Last but not least, in the New Testament, the only appearances of "Pontius" Pilate are at Luke 3:1 (cf. Dieter Roth), Acts 4:27, and 1 Timothy 6:13. Both the present form of Luke-Acts and the pastoral epistles are believed by some scholars to harbor anti-Marcionite sentiment, on independent grounds.
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The next appearance of the phrase in Greek, chronologically, is in Origen. None of these passages have English translations online that I can find.

Origenes Theol., Commentarium in evangelium Matthaei (lib. 12-17)
Book 17, chapter 25, line 29

ὡς ἄρα ἐπὶ Ποντίου Πιλάτου ἐκινδύνευσεν ὁ λαός,

Origenes Theol., Commentarii in evangelium Joannis (lib. 19, 20, 28, 32)
Book 20, chapter 30, section 269, line 3

οἱ πιστεύοντες μὲν εἰς τὸν ἐπὶ Ποντίου Πιλάτου Ἰησοῦν ἐσταυρωμένον ἐν τῇ Ἰουδαίᾳ,

Origenes Theol., Commentarii in evangelium Joannis (lib. 19, 20, 28, 32)
Book 20, chapter 30, section 272, line 3

μὴ πιστεύοντες δὲ εἰς τὸν πατέρα Ἰησοῦ τοῦ ἐσταυρωμένου ἐπὶ Ποντίου Πιλάτου,

Origenes Theol., Commentarii in evangelium Joannis (lib. 19, 20, 28, 32)
Book 32, chapter 16, section 191, line 1

ἢ πάλιν εἴ τις πιστεύων ὅτι ὁ ἐπὶ Ποντίου Πιλάτου σταυρωθεὶς ἱερόν τι χρῆμα καὶ σωτήριον τῷ κόσμῳ ἐπιδεδήμηκεν,

Known only in Coptic and Ethiopic, the Epistula Apostolorum (c. 150) sports the full name of Pontius Pilate:
Concerning whom we testify that the Lord is he who was crucified by Pontius Pilate and Archelaus between the two thieves (and with them he was taken down from the tree of the cross, Eth.), and was buried in a place which is called the place of a skull (Kranion).
In the form of a letter from the apostles, the text does not name Marcion, but it does name "Simon and Cerinthus," who were sometimes considered to be Marcion's ancestors in thought (at least, Simon was).
Simon and Cerinthus, the false apostles, concerning whom it is written that no man shall cleave unto them, for there is in them deceit wherewith they bring men to destruction.
The name of Pilate, alone, is known from Philo, the Gospel of Mark, the Gospel of Matthew (with at least one probable interpolation of "Pontius" at Mt 27:2), the Gospel of John, the Gospel of Peter, Melito's De Pascha (c. 170), and Adamantius' De recta in deum fide (c. 280).
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Peter's OP is quite interesting.

Regarding -
Peter Kirby wrote: Firstly let it be said that there was a historical Pontius Pilate, as recorded in an inscription discovered in 1961
The partial inscription reads (conjectural letters in brackets):[3]
  • [DIS AUGUSTI]S TIBERIÉUM
    [...PO]NTIUS PILATUS
    [...PRAEF]ECTUS IUDA[EA]E
    [...FECIT D]E[DICAVIT]
The translation from Latin to English for the inscription reads:
  • To the Divine Augusti [this] Tiberieum
    ...Pontius Pilate
    ...prefect of Judea
    ...has dedicated [this]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pilate_stone
Livius has
  • . . . . . . S TIBERIEVM
    . . [PO]NTIVS PILATVS
    [PRAE]CTVS IVDA[EA]E
http://www.livius.org/pi-pm/pilate/pilate08.html [article by Jona Lendering]
Discovery

The limestone block was discovered in June 1961 by Italian archaeologists led by Dr. Antonio Frova while excavating in the area of an ancient theatre built by decree of Herod the Great around 22-10 BC, along with the entire city of Caesarea.

The artifact is a fragment of the dedicatory inscription of a later building, probably a temple, that was constructed, possibly in honour of the emperor Tiberius,[8][9] dating to 26–36 AD.[10]

The stone was then reused in the 4th century as a building block for a set of stairs belonging to a structure erected behind the stage house of the Herodian theatre, and it was discovered there, still attached to the ancient staircase, by the archaeologists.[11]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pilate_stone

3 Bruce Chilton, Craig A. Evans (1998) Studying the historical Jesus: evaluations of the state of current research (ISBN 9004111425) p. 465

11 A.N. Sherwin-White (1964) Review of "A. Frova, L'iscrizione di Ponzio Pilato a Cesarea" [in] The Journal of Roman Studies, 54, p.258.
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There are eight! parts to that long Livius article on Pilate. The end of the 2nd & all of the 3rd are interesting, particularly in relation to what Peter K says in his OP -
Pilate's tenure of office was not typical, however, because the Syrian governor Lucius Aelius Lamia was absent ... For reasons that will forever remain unclear, the emperor Tiberius requested the popular senator to stay in Rome, and when he died in 33, he ordered a state funeral. To Pilate, this meant that for the first six years of his term of office, he could not fall back on the Syrian governor and his troops. In case of an emergency, he and his auxiliaries were alone.

http://www.livius.org/pi-pm/pilate/pilate02.html [article by Jona Lendering]
Speculations about Pilate's early years

Judaea was so unimportant a province, that no senator would have deigned to become its governor. Consequently, its governors belonged to the second class of the Roman elite, the order of the knights. These men were not entitled to the position of 'legate' or 'proconsul', but had to content themselves with the military title 'prefect' (see below).

Like all members of the Pontius family, Pilate belonged to this equestrian order. We know that the Pontii originated from a region called Samnium in central Italy, which had a reputation for its stubborn resistance to Roman expansionism. The Pontii could boast of a brilliant victory over the Romans (at the Caudine Forks in 321 BCE), had led several armies against Rome in the first quarter of the first century BCE, and prided itself on its resistance to the coup d'état of Julius Caesar. But in the days of Pontius Pilate, this was just the folklore of a family that was now thoroughly Roman. The family may have upheld its military traditions, especially since the emperor Augustus had done his best to stress the military character of the order of the knights. We may accept as a fact that Pontius Pilate had started his career as a soldier; after all, 'prefect' was a military title, and the Romans were right to demand at least some military experience before one could become governor of a province.

In the Roman Empire, advancement depended on patronage. There has been some scholarly speculation that Pilate was promoted by the powerful commander of the guard of the emperor Tiberius, a man named Seianus. It may be true and is perhaps even plausible, but we simply cannot know.

Before Pilate assumed the governorship of his province in 26 CE, he must have sought advice. We know one of his advisors: the high priest Joseph Caiaphas. Pilate's predecessor Valerius Gratus (tenure of office: 15-26 CE) had been looking for a high priest he could rely on, and had dismissed three high priests before appointing Caiaphas in 18. (It is tempting to link this appointment to the Jewish embassy that in 17 had appealed to the emperor Tiberius for a reduction in the tribute of Judaea. Was Caiaphas rewarded for his tactful behavior in Rome?) Pilate never changed the high priest, which can only mean that he had found in Caiaphas a man who could be trusted.

Pilate must have studied the Jewish religion before he went to Judaea. Like all Romans, he must have been intrigued by its old age, its philosophical depth, its resistance to the Greco-Roman culture, and its barbarian custom of circumcision. He must have read about the policy of the Syrian king Antiochus IV Epiphanes, who had tried to civilize the Jews and had persecuted those who had continued their atrocious practice of mutilating the genitals of boys before they had reached the age of consent. It has been argued that Pilate tried to follow in Antiochus' footsteps, and that the incidents we will discuss below were deliberate provocations. This point of view is untenable, since it ignores the negative bias of the Jewish sources.

Besides, there is positive proof that Pilate embarked upon a policy of cooperation. Since there was no Syrian governor to mint coins, Pilate had to do it himself. These coins show the staff of an Italian seer; on the reverse, one could have seen a bunch of grapes, which is the usual picture on any Jewish coin. Pilate thus combined an inoffensive pagan and an inoffensive Jewish symbol, which probably reflects a policy of equal rights to Jews and pagans. He would not force the Jews to lay down their ancestral ways; he invited them to be Rome's equals.

http://www.livius.org/pi-pm/pilate/pilate03.html [article by Jona Lendering]
Interesting, that Livius article has Pontius Pilate pensioned off after he executed a "Samatarian prophet"
The Samaritan prophet

The sect of the Samaritans had its origins in a doctrinal conflict in Jerusalem in the age of Alexander the Great. One group of priests had left the city and started a new sect in the city of Samaria. One of their beliefs was that the prophet whose coming Moses had predicted in Deuteronomy 18.14-18, would reveal his identity by showing Moses' sacred vessels. This (Messianic?) belief was shared by the members of the Sect of Qumran, who knew that a treasure could be found on top of this mountain (Copper Scroll, 12.4).

In 36, a man claimed to be Moses reincarnate and gathered an armed following. Pilate intervened immediately with some thousand soldiers, dispersed the crowd, and had -as in the previous incident [Jesus' execution]- only the ringleaders executed. Nonetheless, the Samaritans considered his violence excessive and appealed to the Syrian governor, Lucius Vitellius (not to be confused with son, who became emperor). Pilate was pensioned off.

http://www.livius.org/pi-pm/pilate/pilate07.html
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Peter Kirby wrote:So, to put a hypothesis out there plainly, I would like to suggest that the stereotyped phrase "before Pontius Pilate" in connection with Jesus' suffering and death found in second century writing connected with the Roman church had a certain propaganda value. Without actually naming the target and giving him a place of dignity in their professions of faith, the phrase would have a chilling effect on the listener when understood as a condemnation of him who is not named. The hypothesis cannot really rise above a conjecture, but it has the advantage of being the only explanation to date as to why it is such a frozen phrase. That is, other than the old chestnut that it was used to lend specificity to the historical setting. (Although not perfect, there may be a modern analogy of sorts.)
Peter, perhaps not surprisingly, I am a bit lost by this.

Assuming an historical Jesus, are you thinking that:
a) the historical Jesus had nothing to do with the time or place of the historical PP, yet later writers associated the two due to the propagandist value of the association with Marcion?

OR

b) the historical Jesus was sentenced to death by the historical PP, and later writers "froze" the connection due to the propagandist value of the association with Marcion?

OR

Assuming a mythic Jesus, are you thinking that:
c) the non-historical Jesus had nothing to do with the time or place of the historical PP, yet later writers associated the two due to the propagandist value of the association with Marcion?

OR

something else?
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Assuming that the creed was written in the mid to late second century (or inserted into earliest writers like Justin Martyr following a pattern which dates such insertions to 195 CE) it brings up an even more interesting point. The author clearly must have been historically minded. What I mean by that is he could have said 'government representative' or the title of some author if he so desired. Instead by emphasizing Pilate - though his name appeared in the gospel - nevertheless shows a sign of what we might call 'a historical interest' or predisposition on the part of the writer. He's saying in effect that it is important to preserve the dating of the ministry of Jesus. I am not so sure that this was true before the author. Look for instance at the great variation that exists with regards to:

1. the crucifixion of Jesus
2. the days that the various events described in the Passion took place
3. the resurrection of Jesus

There was no consensus on these details even though YOU'D THINK that these would be important. In fact I'd argue that there had to have been a liturgical 'dating' for the events in the Passion. It couldn't have been otherwise given that the liturgical year = the ministry of Jesus. Both were 360 or 365 days. So you'd figure that each day of the Passion would have been known and repeated or 'played out' each year.

So what does this tell us? In my mind that a historically-minded person established a new emphasis on historicity.
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gmx wrote:
Peter Kirby wrote:So, to put a hypothesis out there plainly, I would like to suggest that the stereotyped phrase "before Pontius Pilate" in connection with Jesus' suffering and death found in second century writing connected with the Roman church had a certain propaganda value. Without actually naming the target and giving him a place of dignity in their professions of faith, the phrase would have a chilling effect on the listener when understood as a condemnation of him who is not named. The hypothesis cannot really rise above a conjecture, but it has the advantage of being the only explanation to date as to why it is such a frozen phrase. That is, other than the old chestnut that it was used to lend specificity to the historical setting. (Although not perfect, there may be a modern analogy of sorts.)
Peter, perhaps not surprisingly, I am a bit lost by this.

Assuming an historical Jesus, are you thinking that:
a) the historical Jesus had nothing to do with the time or place of the historical PP, yet later writers associated the two due to the propagandist value of the association with Marcion?

OR

b) the historical Jesus was sentenced to death by the historical PP, and later writers "froze" the connection due to the propagandist value of the association with Marcion?

OR

Assuming a mythic Jesus, are you thinking that:
c) the non-historical Jesus had nothing to do with the time or place of the historical PP, yet later writers associated the two due to the propagandist value of the association with Marcion?

OR

something else?
Thank you for asking.

None of these interpretations actually get the point of the OP (i.e., it's something else). I attribute this misunderstanding to two factors.

a) There is an attempt above to connect the OP either to the historicity of Jesus or to the non-historicity of Jesus (a "Mythic Jesus"). The OP does not say anything regarding the historicity or non-historicity of Jesus, nor does it attempt to provide any information relevant to that debate. The OP is about the events of the second century. The OP is about the propaganda efforts in the second century. The OP doesn't care whether you believe in a historical Jesus or not.

b) There is a misunderstanding that the phenomenon being explained is the "association" of Jesus with "the historical Pontius Pilate." That's not it. This association is taken for granted as part of the existing tradition. It is present in that list I presented -- including the Gospels of Mark, Matthew, John, and Peter -- all of which portray the association of Jesus with the historical Pilate. So the association is not what is being explained here.

What is being explained here is the rise, in the second century, of the references to Pontius Pilate in the early Christian literature, especially as it pertains to the frozen phrase ( fixed phrase?) ἐπὶ Ποντίου Πιλάτου that is closely associated with baptismal words and with professions of faith, as shown by the examples quoted from Justin Martyr, Irenaeus, the Ignatiana, and Tertullian.

That's it.
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Peter Kirby wrote:
a) ... The OP is about the events of the second century. The OP is about the propaganda efforts in the second century ...

What is being explained here is the rise, in the second century, of the references to Pontius Pilate in the early Christian literature, especially as it pertains to the frozen phrase ἐπὶ Ποντίου Πιλάτου that is closely associated with baptismal words and with professions of faith, as shown by the examples quoted from Justin Martyr, Irenaeus, Marcion, and Tertullian.
It would seem pertinent to look at t events that are recorded as having occurred 'under Pontius Pilate first century; both in the bible, and outside the bible -

Biblical events 'under Pontius Pilate'

Luke 3:1-2 -
3:1 Now in the fifteenth year of the reign of Tiberius Caesar, Pontius Pilate being governor of Judea, Herod being tetrarch of Galilee, his brother Philip tetrarch of Iturea and the region of Trachonitis, and Lysanias tetrarch of Abilene, 2 while Annas and Caiaphas were high priests, the word of God came to John the son of Zacharias in the wilderness.

"Galileans whose blood Pilate had mingled with their sacrifices" Luke 13(Slaughter of Galileans?)

The trial & crucifixion of Jesus (cf. The apocryphal Gospel of Peter which exonerates Pilate; instead placing repsonsibility on Herod and the Jews)

The Synoptic Gospels (Matthew, Mark, and Luke) portray Pilate as reluctant to crucify Jesus. Pilate calls the charges against Jesus “baseless” (Luke 23:14) and several times declares Jesus to be not guilty: “What crime has this man committed? I have found in him no grounds for the death penalty” (Luke 23:22).

Pilate's wife sent him an urgent message concerning Jesus. The note begged him, “Don’t have anything to do with that innocent man, for I have suffered a great deal today in a dream because of him” (Matthew 27:19).

Pilate asked the crowds at the Passover which “criminal” should be set free, Jesus or Barabbas? The leaders convinced the crowd to cry out for Barabbas (Matthew 27:22-24). Giving in to political pressure, Pilate authorized both the flogging and crucifixion of Jesus: “Wanting to satisfy the crowd, Pilate released Barabbas to them. He had Jesus flogged, and handed him over to be crucified” (Mark 15:15).

Pilate had the charge against Jesus posted on the cross above Jesus’ head: “THIS IS JESUS, THE KING OF THE JEWS” (Matthew 27:37). As soon as Jesus died, Joseph of Arimathea asked Pilate for the body of Jesus in order to bury Him, and Pilate granted the request (Mark 15:53-54). The last glimpse we have of Pontius Pilate is when he assigns guards for Jesus’ tomb (Matthew 27:64-66).

The gospel according to John records more discussion between Pilate & Jesus. Jesus acknowledges Himself as a king and claims to speak directly for the truth. Pilate responds with the famous question, “What is truth?” (John 18:38)

etc - http://www.bible-history.com/pontius_pi ... ptures.htm



Extra-biblical records of events 'under Pontius Pilate'

1. Pilate's troops enter Jerusalem with images of the emperor attached to their standards & place them in the fortress Antonia next to the Temple (or in the Temple)
2. The Aqueduct Riot - Josephus, The Jewish War 2:175-177; Jewish Antiquities 18:60-62
  • This act ... infuriated Josephus half a century later (JW.2.175-177), but for utterly obscure reasons. The money Pilate used was a fund called Corbanas, or Corban, which was specifically raised from the temple donations for public works. The aqueduct blessed a great many people with fresh water, and fresh water was not only needed for consumption but also as essential element of Jewish religious rites. The building of this aqueduct was ordered by Herod the Great and inaugurated by Agrippa, after Pilate's departure. http://www.abarim-publications.com/Mean ... -0F0Pl97IV
3. Pilate supposedly executed a "Samatarian prophet" Flavius Josephus. Antiquities of the Jews 18.4.1-2
  • Yet this commentary - http://www.abarim-publications.com/Mean ... -0F0Pl97IV - says "this story is so deliberately nonsensical that it merely illustrates how mysterious the whole Pilate affair is.

    "The Samaritans had free access to Gerizim and could dig all they wanted, especially if their motivations were of a religious nature (a "Mosaic treasure" can hardly be anything other than something intellectual). And even if Pilate had seen fit to stop them, it would have been his perfect right. And even if he had executed the ringleaders, not a single Roman official would have thought anything of it. And even if the Syrian governor had cared at all, he had no jurisdiction in Judea or Samaria (although there was some administrative overlap between the realms of Syria and Judea; they shared a legion for instance). If the governor of Syria had complaints, he would have had to write a letter to Tiberius, informing him about he matter and perhaps a polite request for his colleague's retirement. Because even if Pilate had done something that required an audience with the emperor, he would not necessarily have forfeited his long held position. That would have only happened if he was somehow found undermining the state."

    That commentary goes on -
    • Why Josephus became so upset with Pilate isn't clear beyond the obvious link he crafts between the latter and the Great Jewish Revolt and subsequent siege of Jerusalem, thirty years after Pilate's removal. But it was during that same siege that Jewish general Joseph's life was spared ... he became Flavius Josephus the Roman historian ...

      Vespasian had been pronounced emperor while he was in Galilee fighting Zealots, and had become amoured with Joseph when the latter informed his captor that the Jews believed that the Messiah and King of the World would come from that same region. And so it did, Josephus went on to explain.
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The name "Pilate" is a cognomen, which is a sort of middle name, except that it's not a second first name but rather a specification of one's last name. Pilate, therefore, didn't only mean Freedman, it also served to specify a collective rather than an individual within the Pontius family.

And sure enough, some years after both Jesus and Pontius Pilate were removed from Judea, Jesus' disciples appear to have collided with a group that may very well have been Pilate's disciples: when men from "what was called the Synagogue of the Freedmen" (Λιβερτινος, Libertinos) — at this time an international affair with members from Cyrene, Alexandria, Cilicia and Asia — indicted Stephen the Deacon and ultimately had him stoned (Acts 6:9; and note that at this time, the Jews apparently could get away with murder; something that they couldn't during Pilate's tenure).

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I wish I was familiar enough with the materials being discussed here to provide some insight, but since I'm not I'll have to settle for asking the question :oops: :

I know there was an on-going trend towards greater veneration of Pilate within certain Christian circles, exemplified by perhaps the Gospel of Peter and the Acts of Pilate. Does this strain of pro-Pilate literature have any known connection to Marcionite theology? I'm just wondering if Marcion's people might have wanted to play up the Pontus connection if Pilate was a figure held in high esteem.

Thanks to all for the interesting thread.
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