Eastern Dialecticism in the Bible?

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Eastern Dialecticism in the Bible?

Post by bbyrd009 » Tue Feb 05, 2019 7:27 am

It is important to understand that as a Westerner, your thought processes are vastly different from those who have been raised to reason dialectically, as the Talmud authors were: (which should not be taken as an endorsement of Talmud)
...Dialectical reasoning is actually opposed to formal logic in many ways.

Western Logic Versus Eastern Dialecticism
Aristotle placed at the foundations of logical thought the following three propositions.
1. Identity: A = A. Whatever is, is. A is itself and not some other thing.
2. Noncontradiction: A and not A can't both be the case. Nothing can both be and not be. A proposition and its opposite can't both be true.
3. Excluded middle: Everything must either be or not be. A or not A can be true but not something in between.

Modern Westerners accept these propositions (but Easterners do not)...
...three principles underlie Eastern dialecticism. Notice I didn't say "propositions..." the term "proposition" has much too formal a ring for what is a generalized stance toward the world rather than a set of ironclad rules.

1. Principle of change:
Reality is a process of change.
What is currently true will shortly be false.
2. Principle of contradiction:
Contradiction is the dynamic underlying change.
Because change is constant, contradiction is constant.
3. Principle of relationships (or holism):
The whole is more than the sum of its parts.
Parts are meaningful only in relation to the whole...

These principles are intimately linked...
The principles also imply another important tenet of Eastern thought, which is the insistence on finding the "middle way" between extreme propositions...
...and Talmudic scholars developed it over the next two millennia and more.

"Mindware" Richard E. Nisbett, pp. 224-5
which seemed to blend quite well with hidden from the wise, as well as explain the ambiguous nature of many Bible Scriptures that would seem to oppose each other, God is our judge, God is not our judge, provide for your family, don't work for food, hate your family, etc.

Do (literal) little children reason from the Eastern Dialectic, as opposed to the Hegelian (or "satan's") Dialectic (an implied winner and loser in every transaction) that Logic demands? Some links that might be helpful,
https://www.google.com/search?ei=D6JZXL ... c7fE8h3n_c
https://www.biblebelievers.org.au/bb970219.htm
https://learning.hccs.edu/faculty/joann ... tern-style
https://www.google.com/search?q=...and+ ... 88&bih=566
https://www.google.com/search?q=eastern ... taoism.pdf

6However, we do speak a wisdom among the mature, but not a wisdom of this age, or of the rulers of this age, who are coming to nothing.
7On the contrary, we speak God’s hidden wisdom in a •mystery...
13We also speak these things, not in words taught by human wisdom...

1. Analytic thinkers are more subject to nine-ending pricing than holistic thinkers.

“Analytic thinkers tend to view the nine-ending price as lower because of the difference in the left-most digit. In contrast, holistic thinkers tend to view all price digits as a whole and are less subject to the nine-ending price effect,” Tu said. “We identified that when individuals are more inclined to holistic thinking (versus analytic thinking), the effectiveness of a nine-ending pricing tactic is pretty weak.”
https://neurosciencenews.com/psychology ... ence-9629/

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Re: Eastern Dialecticism in the Bible?

Post by arnoldo » Sun Feb 10, 2019 1:37 pm

This made me think of Mortimer J Adler's book "TRUTH IN RELIGION;THE PLURALITY OF RELIGIONS AND THE UNITY OF TRUTH "
https://books.google.com/books?id=gzW3- ... rn&f=false

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Re: Eastern Dialecticism in the Bible?

Post by bbyrd009 » Mon Feb 11, 2019 11:29 am

arnoldo wrote:
Sun Feb 10, 2019 1:37 pm
This made me think of Mortimer J Adler's book "TRUTH IN RELIGION;THE PLURALITY OF RELIGIONS AND THE UNITY OF TRUTH "
https://books.google.com/books?id=gzW3- ... rn&f=false
do you recall any keywords in his treatment there? ty

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Re: Eastern Dialecticism in the Bible?

Post by arnoldo » Mon Feb 11, 2019 5:38 pm

Sure, the following reminded me of the OP.

In Western logic, the laws governing the opposition of incompatible propositions are unquestioned. They are self-evident because the opposite is unthinkable. Two propositions that are contrary to each other cannot both be true though both can be false. The pursuit of truth in mathematics, science and philosophy is governed by freedom from contradictions. Now that mathematics and science have become transcultural, one might suppose that the logic of incompatible propositions would also have become transcultural. But that is not the case. Some, if not all, of the Far Eastern cultures don’t not accept this rule of thought, with respect to incompatibles, nor do they accept the underlying view of reality that it presupposes. It is not self-evidently true for them.

On the contrary, they hold the very opposite to be true, that the guiding rule of thought should drive the mind to embrace contradiction because contradiction in their view lie at the very heart of reality. It would seem that we cannot apply the Western logic of truth to the religions prevalent in Far Eastern cultures where that logic has no authority.


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Re: Eastern Dialecticism in the Bible?

Post by bbyrd009 » Tue Feb 12, 2019 8:08 am

arnoldo wrote:
Mon Feb 11, 2019 5:38 pm
Sure, the following reminded me of the OP.

In Western logic, the laws governing the opposition of incompatible propositions are unquestioned. They are self-evident because the opposite is unthinkable. Two propositions that are contrary to each other cannot both be true though both can be false. The pursuit of truth in mathematics, science and philosophy is governed by freedom from contradictions. Now that mathematics and science have become transcultural, one might suppose that the logic of incompatible propositions would also have become transcultural. But that is not the case. Some, if not all, of the Far Eastern cultures don’t not accept this rule of thought, with respect to incompatibles, nor do they accept the underlying view of reality that it presupposes. It is not self-evidently true for them.

On the contrary, they hold the very opposite to be true, that the guiding rule of thought should drive the mind to embrace contradiction because contradiction in their view lie at the very heart of reality. It would seem that we cannot apply the Western logic of truth to the religions prevalent in Far Eastern cultures where that logic has no authority.

awesome, ty. Guess i better look him up!


lightning flashes from East to West
Euphrates dried up to make way for the kings of the East
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