sentenced to death for atheism’

All other informal historical discussion, ancient or modern, falls here. This includes the topics of Islam, Buddhism, and other religious traditions.

Moderator: JoeWallack

outhouse
Posts: 3577
Joined: Fri Oct 04, 2013 6:48 pm

Re: sentenced to death for atheism’

Post by outhouse »

More terrorism from the ONLY group embarrassing humanity daily!!!!!!!!!!

Knifeman yelling "Allahu Akbar" shot dead after killing two in France

Police sources said the suspect had shouted "Allahu Akbar" (God is greatest) in Arabic as he attacked the women, aged 17 and 20, at Marseille's main railway station.


Two police sources said one had her throat slit while the other was stabbed in the chest and stomach.

An Islamic State militant was responsible for the attack, the group's Amaq news agency said.
outhouse
Posts: 3577
Joined: Fri Oct 04, 2013 6:48 pm

Re: sentenced to death for atheism’

Post by outhouse »

Ulan wrote: Fri Sep 22, 2017 1:17 pm The fact that US troops went to some Muslim countries and frivolously killed hundreds of thousands of people there,
Sorry calling BS here.

If we went anywhere we did so to stop genocide.


Provide sources at retract your BS
User avatar
neilgodfrey
Posts: 6161
Joined: Sat Oct 05, 2013 4:08 pm

Re: sentenced to death for atheism’

Post by neilgodfrey »

Were you old enough in 2003 to remember the thousands of protests around the world, involving tens of millions, protesting against Bush's planned invasion of Iraq? Were those 36 million people demanding Bush let the genocide continue in Iraq? Did Bush say "no", he was going to invade to stop genocide there?

And this was after the US Secretary of State declared publicly when told that US sanctions had been responsible for half a million deaths of Iraqi children that "the price was worth it".

It is because so many Americans are as ignorant as outhouse about the world that these atrocities are going to continue, and continue . . . .
vridar.org Musings on biblical studies, politics, religion, ethics, human nature, tidbits from science
User avatar
spin
Posts: 2146
Joined: Sat Oct 05, 2013 10:44 pm
Location: Nowhere

Re: sentenced to death for atheism’

Post by spin »

outhouse wrote: Sun Oct 01, 2017 1:59 pm More terrorism from the ONLY group embarrassing humanity daily!!!!!!!!!!

Knifeman yelling "Allahu Akbar" shot dead after killing two in France

Police sources said the suspect had shouted "Allahu Akbar" (God is greatest) in Arabic as he attacked the women, aged 17 and 20, at Marseille's main railway station.


Two police sources said one had her throat slit while the other was stabbed in the chest and stomach.

An Islamic State militant was responsible for the attack, the group's Amaq news agency said.
Same old stupidity. Vivid event trumps reality. Nothing to do with ordinary muslims. It was an IS militant. Shoot yourself in the foot much?

More reality: how many women were murdered by their spouses that day? I'm sure you wouldn't have a clue. Dastardly acts committed under your nose but you're too busy trying to tar all muslims with your racist views. You, outhouse, just don't care. You're off (your head) tilting at a few crimes committed by people who are muslims to worry your ugly little head about a shitload of crimes committed by the people around you.
Dysexlia lures • ⅔ of what we see is behind our eyes
Ulan
Posts: 1505
Joined: Sat Mar 29, 2014 3:58 am

Re: sentenced to death for atheism’

Post by Ulan »

outhouse wrote: Sun Oct 01, 2017 2:01 pm
Ulan wrote: Fri Sep 22, 2017 1:17 pm The fact that US troops went to some Muslim countries and frivolously killed hundreds of thousands of people there,
Sorry calling BS here.

If we went anywhere we did so to stop genocide.


Provide sources at retract your BS
You need sources for the reasons of the 2003 invasion of Iraq?
According to U.S. President George W. Bush and UK Prime Minister Tony Blair, the coalition mission was "to disarm Iraq of weapons of mass destruction, to end Saddam Hussein's support for terrorism, and to free the Iraqi people."
Do you forget that reasons 1 and 2 turned out to be fake? Which was already known before the war started.
The invasion of Iraq was strongly opposed by some long-standing U.S. allies, including the governments of France, Germany, and New Zealand.[27][28][29] Their leaders argued that there was no evidence of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and that invading the country was not justified in the context of UNMOVIC's 12 February 2003 report.
Regarding point 3, there is also no evidence that the Iraqi people had any wish to get "freed".

We will probably never know why George W. Bush really started that war. That the long shadow of his dumb foreign policy still casts far, you can see from our current trouble with "Little Rocketman". Bush and his talk about the "Axis of Evil", combined with his invasion of Iraq, taught North Korea a valuable lesson: You better really get your hands on weapons of mass destruction, or you will be invaded after the fabrication of false evidence.

The US invasion started the Iraq War:
The Iraq War,[nb 1] also known as the Second Gulf War, was a protracted armed conflict that began in 2003 with the invasion of Iraq by a United States-led coalition that overthrew the government of Saddam Hussein. The conflict continued for much of the next decade as an insurgency emerged to oppose the occupying forces and the post-invasion Iraqi government.[53] An estimated 151,000 to 600,000 or more Iraqis were killed in the first 3–4 years of conflict.
Which means that everything the governments of France, Germany or New Zealand had said before the war was true, also their complaint that the US had no viable exit strategy. The invasion ultimately led to hundreds of thousands of deaths within less than 4 years, and 14 years later, it's still not over.

My main point stands: without the frivolous US invasion of Iraq, we would have no IS and no widespread Islamic terrorism of this kind today.
Nathan
Posts: 85
Joined: Sat Jul 23, 2016 5:30 pm

Re: sentenced to death for atheism’

Post by Nathan »

Ulan wrote: Mon Oct 02, 2017 12:09 amMy main point stands: without the frivolous US invasion of Iraq, we would have no IS and no widespread Islamic terrorism of this kind today.
I don't know that I would I agree with this in its entirety, since it's not simply US (or the broader western) foreign policy that compels ISIS and other groups (like al-Shabaab) to act. Of course, foreign policy is among the most important issues. But the fact is that ISIS and related groups are highly influenced by the tenets of classical Islam and medieval figures like Ibn Taymiyyah. Notably, classical Islamic law, broadly speaking, divides the world into two sectors, the dar al-Islam, or the land of Islam; and the dar al-harb, or the land of war. It is thus the duty of the Muslim polity to subsume the so-called land of war within the land of Islam. Accordingly, if the caliph greenlights military activity, as has been the case with the supposed caliph from ISIS, then the Muslim community is (in that classical view) legally bound to comply -- i.e. at least a sufficient number of them to conceivably wage a successful war, while the rest are excused from participation. (This is one reason why Muslims from around the world have been going to the Middle East to join ISIS.) In any case, the US's aggressive foreign policy will undoubtedly continue to cause problems, but to suggest that it is the sole cause of "widespread Islamic terrorism" is to ignore the driving forces within Islam itself.
Ulan
Posts: 1505
Joined: Sat Mar 29, 2014 3:58 am

Re: sentenced to death for atheism’

Post by Ulan »

Nathan wrote: Mon Oct 02, 2017 8:26 am In any case, the US's aggressive foreign policy will undoubtedly continue to cause problems, but to suggest that it is the sole cause of "widespread Islamic terrorism" is to ignore the driving forces within Islam itself.
Well, I had another qualifier in there ("of this kind"), as the kind of terrorism ISIS employs is quite new (decentralized, completely independent actors that are claimed for the cause after the fact). We should not forget, either, what the acronym "ISIS" stands for, which means that the connection to Iraq is a given in this case.

Of course, there had been Islamic terrorism before. I did not forget about Al Qaeda and 9/11. However, that one didn't come out of a vacuum, either. And I didn't exempt other reasons for terrorism here, either (see my remarks about European involvement in the post before that, and that was far from exhaustive). However, I still remember the world when pretty much most Arab countries were secular states. This religious renaissance doesn't come from nothing.

In this world of asymmetric wars, it's easy to forget what is done in our names elsewhere in the world when we sit at home, thinking about what we want to have for dinner.

It's also funny that the country where extremist Islam has its natural home and is one of its biggest export goods is everyone's "best friend". I guess business rules above all other considerations.
outhouse
Posts: 3577
Joined: Fri Oct 04, 2013 6:48 pm

Re: sentenced to death for atheism’

Post by outhouse »

Ulan wrote: Mon Oct 02, 2017 12:09 amYou need sources for the reasons of the 2003 invasion of Iraq?
Non sequitur.

Political reasons ARE NOT religious reasons like islam uses to commit their cowardly acts of terror and violence.


They were also acting like animals committing genocide, human rights in Saddam Hussein's Iraq was worth the trip.
outhouse
Posts: 3577
Joined: Fri Oct 04, 2013 6:48 pm

Re: sentenced to death for atheism’

Post by outhouse »

Ulan wrote: Mon Oct 02, 2017 3:32 pmI did not forget about Al Qaeda and 9/11.
Your doing a great job of making excuses for the religious ideology that produces these kind of cowardly terrorist.
outhouse
Posts: 3577
Joined: Fri Oct 04, 2013 6:48 pm

Re: sentenced to death for atheism’

Post by outhouse »

spin wrote: Sun Oct 01, 2017 7:41 pm Nothing to do with ordinary muslims. It was an IS militant. .
Shows how little you know about islam.

There is a REASON this religious ideology produces the most cowardly acts of terrorism out of any religion. YOU have not discussed a single aspect.

YOUI only make excuses and point the finger elsewhere. TYPICAL liberal snowflake methodology.
Post Reply