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Yes, I was thinking about Herodian, too; but I do not have any observations there yet.
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Ben C. Smith wrote: Sun Feb 11, 2018 4:07 pm Yes, I was thinking about Herodian, too; but I do not have any observations there yet.
How about references that Paul uses? Does he quote anything that could not be before the 1st century?
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Would 500 men be the size of a normal Roman military auxillary unit through the Roman Empire as well, say, through to the late 4th century?
These 500 are in a passage (1 Co 15:3-11) which is most likely an interpolation: http://historical-jesus.info/9.html

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Bernard Muller wrote: Sun Feb 11, 2018 4:41 pm
Would 500 men be the size of a normal Roman military auxillary unit through the Roman Empire as well, say, through to the late 4th century?
These 500 are in a passage (1 Co 15:3-11) which is most likely an interpolation: http://historical-jesus.info/9.html

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^ Is an interpolation as likely with an earlier Paul though?
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Jax wrote: Sun Feb 11, 2018 4:34 pm
Ben C. Smith wrote: Sun Feb 11, 2018 4:07 pm Yes, I was thinking about Herodian, too; but I do not have any observations there yet.
How about references that Paul uses? Does he quote anything that could not be before the 1st century?
Not that I know of at the moment, no.
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to Jax,
I think that passage was added up after gLuke & Acts were known (which I dated around 81-93 CE) but not gMatthew (with the two reappearances) & gJohn. That's the best fit for the sequence of reappearances in 1 Co 15:3-8.

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Bernard Muller wrote: Sun Feb 11, 2018 5:17 pm to Jax,
I think that passage was added up after gLuke & Acts were known (which I dated around 81-93 CE) but not gMatthew (with the two reappearances) & gJohn. That's the best fit for the sequence of reappearances in 1 Co 15:3-8.

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But why did the interpolator go with 500 brothers? Where did they get that number? It shows up nowhere else.

Could the passage be a partial interpolation? With the 500 being original and other parts added later to bring the passage more in line with orthodoxy?
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Ben C. Smith wrote: Sun Feb 11, 2018 5:04 pm
Jax wrote: Sun Feb 11, 2018 4:34 pm
Ben C. Smith wrote: Sun Feb 11, 2018 4:07 pm Yes, I was thinking about Herodian, too; but I do not have any observations there yet.
How about references that Paul uses? Does he quote anything that could not be before the 1st century?
Not that I know of at the moment, no.
I think that you must agree that, even if I am dead wrong, this gives us an opportunity to view the material from a fresh and different angle as my response to Bernard's statement about a possible interpolation in 1 Corinthians 15 illustrates.

It's worth it for that alone.
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