John T wrote:Read thread 'Mythicists: Promoting religious agendas?'
Sheshbazzar wrote:John T wrote:
I'm trying to force the mythicists to think logically for themselves.
So, I will ask it again in a slightly different way:
Do you really think someone like Carrier [atheist/mythicist] would admit that Jesus was real even if a grave was dug up in the Qumran cemetery that had a head stone or scroll that said the body unearthed was one of Jesus 12 disciples (or family member of Jesus) and then the DNA from the body and radio carbon dating of the scroll agreed the unearthed evidence was from the 1st century A.D.?
Are you really so deficient in the understanding of simple logic that you do not even realize what is wrong with this imaginary scenario of yours?
Finding the grave of
some 1st century 'disciple' of 'Jesus', or yet another christian religion produced
scroll (or a hundred more such) would do nothing towards proving whether there actually was once any flesh and blood 'Jesus' behind the Christian mythology claiming that he was the one and only god almighty and the creator of heaven and earth.
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and subsequent posts. Acknowledge reading, comprehension, and do reply there.
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Yes. I read your post before and did not reply to it for obvious reasons, that is; you changed the meaning of the question into something not intended.
However, just in case my wording was not clear (happens a lot); I was questioning what evidence would be accepted for a human (flesh and blood) Jesus?
I was
not talking about what evidence you would need to prove Jesus was "
the one and only god almighty and the creator of heaven and earth".
Two very different topics.
Got it now?
Sincerely,
John T
Urp. I'm not buying it.
Lets try again.
John T wrote:
I'm trying to force the mythicists to think logically for themselves.
So, I will ask it again in a slightly different way:
Do you really think someone like Carrier [atheist/mythicist] would admit that Jesus was real even if a grave was dug up in the Qumran cemetery that had a head stone or scroll that said the body unearthed was one of Jesus 12 disciples (or family member of Jesus) and then the DNA from the body and radio carbon dating of the scroll agreed the unearthed evidence was from the 1st century A.D.?
Are you really so deficient in the understanding of simple logic that you do not even realize what is wrong with this imaginary scenario of yours?
Finding the grave of
some 1st century 'disciple' of 'Jesus', or yet another christian religion produced
scroll (or a hundred more such) would do nothing towards proving whether there actually was once any flesh and blood 'Jesus' behind the Christian mythology. Period.
NOR WAS
I ... talking about what evidence you would need to prove Jesus was "
the one and only god almighty and the creator of heaven and earth".
Are you being deliberately obtuse? Either
there within thread (where it belongs), or here and now, address the actual thrust of my posts. That being that the 'logic' of your supplied example is faulty;
Finding the grave or the remains of a 'disciple', or of
any 1st century NT personage
other than 'Jesus' himself, will not, and
cannot ever serve as any valid proof-positive evidence that there was an actual living flesh and blood Jesus.
And no amount of additional religion produced scrolls can ever serve as valid evidence of his existence either.
Now credible contemporary
eye-witness independent attestation (NON-Xian) would make a good (but even then remain open to doubt and challenges) case for the one time existence of an actual flesh and blood Jesus.
Nothing such has ever been found, nor likely ever will be, in that any such 'Jesus' that is not mythologized always has been and still is contrary to the christian 'gospel's teachings. And such, as being 'heretical' to church teaching were for centuries diligently sought out and destroyed so as to cover the tracks of a lying religion.
A
human and fully historical real Jesus if found and proven, would only serve to further discredit and destroy the evolved christian mythology, and ultimately christianity itself.