Do we owe Muslims another apology?
- Gnostic Bishop
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Do we owe Muslims another apology?
Do we owe Muslims another apology?
This link says yes.
http://bigthink.com/videos/maajid-nawaz ... mic-reform
This link says no.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQcSvBsU-FM
To those who think we should try to separate the good Muslims from the bad Muslims.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drJCC2XXMBo
I do not think it is to the non-Muslim world to apologise to Muslims for the criticism we do of their un-civilized ideology.
Should we stop judging and criticizing those institutions of religion that are leading us away from a more civilized state?
1 Thessalonians 5:21 Test all things; hold fast what is good.
Have you tested the ideology of Islam? Is it good to you?
Proverbs 3:12 For whom the Lord loveth he correcteth; even as a father the son in whom he delighteth.
Is correcting and criticizing Islam the loving or the hateful thing to do?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMJATBMebj8
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DL
This link says yes.
http://bigthink.com/videos/maajid-nawaz ... mic-reform
This link says no.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQcSvBsU-FM
To those who think we should try to separate the good Muslims from the bad Muslims.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drJCC2XXMBo
I do not think it is to the non-Muslim world to apologise to Muslims for the criticism we do of their un-civilized ideology.
Should we stop judging and criticizing those institutions of religion that are leading us away from a more civilized state?
1 Thessalonians 5:21 Test all things; hold fast what is good.
Have you tested the ideology of Islam? Is it good to you?
Proverbs 3:12 For whom the Lord loveth he correcteth; even as a father the son in whom he delighteth.
Is correcting and criticizing Islam the loving or the hateful thing to do?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMJATBMebj8
Regards
DL
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Re: Do we owe Muslims another apology?
https://vridar.org/2018/05/12/ex-muslim ... -identity/
Do not view the discussion if you go apoplectic over hearing voices of tolerance and understanding.
Do not view the discussion if you go apoplectic over hearing voices of tolerance and understanding.
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Re: Do we owe Muslims another apology?
I like tolerance. That is the last thing Islam is.
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DL
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Re: Do we owe Muslims another apology?
It seems you also like listening to ignorant bigots and refusing to listen to people who know what they are talking about.Gnostic Bishop wrote: ↑Sat May 12, 2018 3:25 pm I like tolerance. That is the last thing Islam is.
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Re: Do we owe Muslims another apology?
You seem quite hard on yourself.neilgodfrey wrote: ↑Sat May 12, 2018 7:04 pmIt seems you also like listening to ignorant bigots and refusing to listen to people who know what they are talking about.Gnostic Bishop wrote: ↑Sat May 12, 2018 3:25 pm I like tolerance. That is the last thing Islam is.
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Is that how you see these folks?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWAfDo5iT8I
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DL
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Re: Do we owe Muslims another apology?
You've lost me. What is wrong with making an effort to understand both sides of a controversial issue? You know, reading the literature and listening to the talks of both sides. And keeping an eye out for the evidence. And also for logical fallacies and sound methods of argument?Gnostic Bishop wrote: ↑Sun May 13, 2018 6:18 amYou seem quite hard on yourself.neilgodfrey wrote: ↑Sat May 12, 2018 7:04 pmIt seems you also like listening to ignorant bigots and refusing to listen to people who know what they are talking about.Gnostic Bishop wrote: ↑Sat May 12, 2018 3:25 pm I like tolerance. That is the last thing Islam is.
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DL
Is that how you see these folks?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWAfDo5iT8I
Regards
DL
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Re: Do we owe Muslims another apology?
There is nothing wrong with making an effort to understand both sides of a controversial issue.neilgodfrey wrote: ↑Thu May 24, 2018 3:26 amYou've lost me. What is wrong with making an effort to understand both sides of a controversial issue? You know, reading the literature and listening to the talks of both sides. And keeping an eye out for the evidence. And also for logical fallacies and sound methods of argument?Gnostic Bishop wrote: ↑Sun May 13, 2018 6:18 amYou seem quite hard on yourself.neilgodfrey wrote: ↑Sat May 12, 2018 7:04 pmIt seems you also like listening to ignorant bigots and refusing to listen to people who know what they are talking about.Gnostic Bishop wrote: ↑Sat May 12, 2018 3:25 pm I like tolerance. That is the last thing Islam is.
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DL
Is that how you see these folks?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWAfDo5iT8I
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DL
There is something wrong with not fighting those who conclude that an immoral position is the proper one.
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DL
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Re: Do we owe Muslims another apology?
Which of course nobody does. Unless we think they do (believe that a position they consider immoral is proper!) -- in which case we no longer think they have the same human nature as us and so dehumanize them with such an ignorant accusation.Gnostic Bishop wrote: ↑Thu May 24, 2018 7:32 amThere is nothing wrong with making an effort to understand both sides of a controversial issue.neilgodfrey wrote: ↑Thu May 24, 2018 3:26 amYou've lost me. What is wrong with making an effort to understand both sides of a controversial issue? You know, reading the literature and listening to the talks of both sides. And keeping an eye out for the evidence. And also for logical fallacies and sound methods of argument?Gnostic Bishop wrote: ↑Sun May 13, 2018 6:18 amYou seem quite hard on yourself.neilgodfrey wrote: ↑Sat May 12, 2018 7:04 pmIt seems you also like listening to ignorant bigots and refusing to listen to people who know what they are talking about.Gnostic Bishop wrote: ↑Sat May 12, 2018 3:25 pm I like tolerance. That is the last thing Islam is.
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DL
Is that how you see these folks?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWAfDo5iT8I
Regards
DL
There is something wrong with not fighting those who conclude that an immoral position is the proper one.
Regards
DL
That's why I believe serious specialist researchers should be listened to if we want to understand what the hell is going on in various quarters.
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Re: Do we owe Muslims another apology?
??neilgodfrey wrote: ↑Fri May 25, 2018 1:14 amWhich of course nobody does. Unless we think they do (believe that a position they consider immoral is proper!) -- in which case we no longer think they have the same human nature as us and so dehumanize them with such an ignorant accusation.Gnostic Bishop wrote: ↑Thu May 24, 2018 7:32 amThere is nothing wrong with making an effort to understand both sides of a controversial issue.neilgodfrey wrote: ↑Thu May 24, 2018 3:26 amYou've lost me. What is wrong with making an effort to understand both sides of a controversial issue? You know, reading the literature and listening to the talks of both sides. And keeping an eye out for the evidence. And also for logical fallacies and sound methods of argument?Gnostic Bishop wrote: ↑Sun May 13, 2018 6:18 amYou seem quite hard on yourself.neilgodfrey wrote: ↑Sat May 12, 2018 7:04 pm
It seems you also like listening to ignorant bigots and refusing to listen to people who know what they are talking about.
Is that how you see these folks?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWAfDo5iT8I
Regards
DL
There is something wrong with not fighting those who conclude that an immoral position is the proper one.
Regards
DL
That's why I believe serious specialist researchers should be listened to if we want to understand what the hell is going on in various quarters.
You do not think that Hitler thought his position moral and right?
You think he knew he was doing wrong?
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DL
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Re: Do we owe Muslims another apology?
Have you read Mein Kampf. Of course Hitler believed his position was the moral and right one. I'm not sure if you understood what I wrote.
Or I don't know what you are trying to say when you ask if I think Hitler knew he was doing wrong. Are you saying that you think Hitler believed or knew he was doing the wrong thing but did it anyway, knowing and believing he was evil?
But what does your point have to do with mine about the usefulness of specialist research into the behaviours etc of various groups?
Or I don't know what you are trying to say when you ask if I think Hitler knew he was doing wrong. Are you saying that you think Hitler believed or knew he was doing the wrong thing but did it anyway, knowing and believing he was evil?
But what does your point have to do with mine about the usefulness of specialist research into the behaviours etc of various groups?
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